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Topic - Vinyl analysis -- Musicians rate CD vs. LP sound in blindfold test - clarkjohnsen 08:42:27 06/4/08 (216)

Yeah, but they agreed that MP3 outperformed both. - richardl 15:21:36 06/10/08 (0)

RE: Vinyl analysis -- Musicians rate CD vs. LP sound in blindfold test - Yashu 19:49:41 06/7/08 (13)

SACD software is now nearly 100% indie, all 4 of the major labels including Sony have deserted it. - Teresa 21:42:14 06/7/08 (12)

By indie I mean everyone, not just who Sony allows to use their production plants. - Yashu 02:05:18 06/8/08 (11)

If SACD could not be the format of choice Sony killed any other notions. - soulfood 13:12:32 06/8/08 (0)

SACD is a Sony Patent SCAM - Tony Lauck 12:40:58 06/8/08 (5)

I could not agree more. - Yashu 17:15:04 06/8/08 (4)

RE: I could not agree more. - Tony Lauck 18:35:53 06/8/08 (3)

Plastic discs and wastes of gas, but your DSD test didn't work because: (and how moore's law is against SACD) - Yashu 08:51:46 06/9/08 (1)

I tested DXD, not DSD - Tony Lauck 10:33:25 06/9/08 (0)

"Moore's law coupled with high oil prices." A deadly one-two punch! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:49:26 06/9/08 (0)

You make excellent points. Thank you. However... - clarkjohnsen 10:59:30 06/8/08 (3)

Not really... - Yashu 17:26:45 06/8/08 (2)

Don't blame me... I'm a CRT type guy too. But as for Beta... - clarkjohnsen 07:43:02 06/9/08 (1)

I stand corrected :) Yes recording time... LP was TV watcher's best friend. - Yashu 08:36:14 06/9/08 (0)

CD sounded so 'perfect' they then introduced HDCD, 24/96, DVD-Audio, SACD and ?.. - ppopp 08:32:21 06/5/08 (32)

RE: CD sounded so 'perfect' they then introduced HDCD, 24/96, DVD-Audio, SACD and ?.. - middleground 10:19:56 06/5/08 (30)

RE: CD sounded so 'perfect' they then introduced HDCD, 24/96, DVD-Audio, SACD and ?.. - Todd Krieger 18:52:39 06/7/08 (1)

RE: CD sounded so 'perfect' they then introduced HDCD, 24/96, DVD-Audio, SACD and ?.. - middleground 07:07:30 06/8/08 (0)

"Why is it that digital... is not allowed refinement as it develops?" LOL! - clarkjohnsen 13:41:47 06/5/08 (19)

Clark you are so correct. - Teresa 19:31:32 06/5/08 (18)

RE: Clark you are so correct. - Todd Krieger 19:02:23 06/7/08 (0)

What is REALLY sad - Feanor 07:17:32 06/7/08 (0)

RE: Clark you are so correct. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:23:54 06/6/08 (13)

It is also Joe Musician, not just Joe Blow... - Tony Lauck 12:06:03 06/8/08 (1)

RE: It is also Joe Musician, not just Joe Blow... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 12:48:05 06/8/08 (0)

RE: Clark you are so correct. - Todd Krieger 19:12:33 06/7/08 (1)

RE: Clark you are so correct. - middleground 07:09:07 06/8/08 (0)

"If people really believed 'bits is bits'..." Error! Error! It isn't the "people" who believe that; - clarkjohnsen 09:27:37 06/7/08 (7)

RE: "If people really believed 'bits is bits'..." Error! Error! It isn't the "people" who believe that; - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:19:59 06/7/08 (1)

"Would I be right in saying ...?" You would indeed. That's what I was saying too. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:02:40 06/8/08 (0)

BITS ARE BITS! - look elsewhere - petehh 12:37:19 06/7/08 (4)

BITs are Misread on Redbook CDs. - Tony Lauck 12:28:16 06/8/08 (0)

Your naivete is charming for not being nasty. - clarkjohnsen 10:51:32 06/8/08 (0)

RE: BITS ARE BITS! - look elsewhere - Todd Krieger 19:34:28 06/7/08 (1)

RE: BITS ARE BITS! - look elsewhere - middleground 07:14:34 06/8/08 (0)

You nailed it there, Chris-o - Feanor 07:21:52 06/7/08 (0)

RE: Clark you are so correct. - middleground 12:51:27 06/6/08 (0)

There is a lot of blame to go around for failed technologies. - soulfood 09:47:41 06/6/08 (0)

I Confess, Nipper Really Thought It Was Me! - thetubeguy1954 12:46:43 06/5/08 (2)

Was that Nip-R, as in CD-R? NT - Tony Lauck 11:48:46 06/8/08 (0)

Note how HMV had the machine switched on you too! nt - clarkjohnsen 13:34:57 06/5/08 (0)

RE: CD sounded so 'perfect' they then introduced HDCD, 24/96, DVD-Audio, SACD and ?.. - ppopp 10:32:47 06/5/08 (4)

RE: CD sounded so 'perfect' they then introduced HDCD, 24/96, DVD-Audio, SACD and ?.. - middleground 12:54:11 06/6/08 (1)

If the downloads are at least 24/96, uncompressed I won't mind. - ppopp 18:29:15 06/6/08 (0)

RE: don't blame technology... - mls-stl 14:22:39 06/5/08 (1)

RE: don't blame technology... - middleground 12:57:53 06/6/08 (0)

A Panasonic ad c.1988: "Now introducing, an improvement on Perfection" Honest, and amusing. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:41:02 06/5/08 (0)

RE: Vinyl analysis -- Musicians rate CD vs. LP sound in blindfold test - Munkie_NL 01:15:46 06/5/08 (1)

The Worst digital recordings I know - pethh 12:43:36 06/7/08 (0)

RE: Vinyl analysis -- Musicians rate CD vs. LP sound in blindfold test - l1945@sbcglobal.net 23:02:12 06/4/08 (0)

The sound issue is a non issue... - RGA 18:34:40 06/4/08 (127)

RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - middleground 07:32:18 06/5/08 (5)

RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - RGA 11:32:45 06/5/08 (0)

"An LP... will pick up noise with every play." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 08:31:10 06/5/08 (3)

RE: "An LP... will pick up noise with every play." LOL! - middleground 10:11:04 06/5/08 (2)

RE: "An LP... will pick up noise with every play." LOL! - Analog Scott 17:15:20 06/5/08 (0)

Dude, if you can't hear it, it ain't audible. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:24:10 06/5/08 (0)

I agree with everything you say, save for it being a non-issue. - Norm 00:44:22 06/5/08 (2)

RE: I agree with everything you say, save for it being a non-issue. - RGA 11:27:18 06/5/08 (1)

I agree. nt - Norm 14:30:04 06/5/08 (0)

RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - Todd Krieger 18:47:51 06/4/08 (117)

RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - RGA 19:17:41 06/4/08 (116)

"You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - Analog Scott 21:13:06 06/4/08 (113)

If you can really hear a difference, personal preference is the right word, not "bias" - Richard BassNut Greene 14:56:45 06/5/08 (93)

My Mom could hear the difference between Original Monster, 12 Gauge Discwasher and 14 Gauge lamp cord - Teresa 03:12:51 06/7/08 (15)

Complete fiction. I've done measurements and so have others - Richard BassNut Greene 12:18:47 06/8/08 (13)

Not matter what you throw out it is 100% true. YOU WERE NOT THERE! I wish you were so you would shut up - Teresa 18:16:14 06/8/08 (12)

"My Mom could hear the difference from the other room while doing dishes" = makes audiophiles look foolish - Richard BassNut Greene 08:01:09 06/9/08 (11)

You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cables - Teresa 09:45:26 06/9/08 (10)

RE: You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cab - middleground 03:56:18 06/10/08 (8)

Music is the important thing, good equipment is just a path there. - Teresa 18:19:14 06/10/08 (3)

"I also score one for Bass Nut for mediocrity and for betraying his own name. He is also a sad sack " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:16 06/11/08 (2)

This must be your Asylum fantasy... - robert young 03:31:04 06/12/08 (1)

Maybe Teresa is really my alter ego? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:01:51 06/12/08 (0)

"I would score one for Bass Nut. " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:23:40 06/10/08 (3)

Why not listen to music instead of so-called scientists and their phoney tests? Music is THE important thing! - Teresa 18:33:08 06/10/08 (2)

"a 4 inch woofer would be no different than a 12 inch ..." - Richard BassNut Greene 08:40:52 06/11/08 (1)

"...Except it would have Woofer Envy" (nt) - kerr 12:31:25 06/11/08 (0)

Not quite. Audiophiles believe they hear differences but can NEVER prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 16:00:11 06/9/08 (0)

RE: My Mom could hear the difference between Original Monster, 12 Gauge Discwasher and 14 Gauge lamp cord - middleground 07:16:39 06/8/08 (0)

How do you manage to be wrong all the time? Even a coin flip is right half the time - Analog Scott 15:45:16 06/5/08 (76)

Yep he made that up out of the clear blue - Teresa 03:23:52 06/7/08 (38)

You describe a nonsense "test" where Monster Cables play louder than thin cables = ho hum (non-science = nonsense) - Richard BassNut Greene 11:14:34 06/7/08 (36)

FTI the Monster cable had more bass at low, medium and high levels, at any level, do you understand? - Teresa 16:35:13 06/7/08 (22)

Only an imbecile would respond to a post about a "test" done with a Panasonic boombox - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:19 06/8/08 (21)

The Panasonic boombox's had detachable speakers one rewired with Monster one with the original cables. - Teresa 18:24:20 06/8/08 (20)

Reality supported by objective proof is my goal -- your goal is believing everything sounds different ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:27:25 06/9/08 (19)

You really are insane! How do you explain each line of cable having it's own "house" sound - Teresa 09:54:01 06/9/08 (12)

Overactive audiophile imaginations is the most logical explanation - Richard BassNut Greene 16:01:57 06/9/08 (11)

If you refer to the right tests then coloration of different brands of speaker cables is easily verified blind - Teresa 18:11:04 06/9/08 (10)

I don't believe they could, Teresa. - robert young 19:06:20 06/9/08 (9)

"Many cables DO sound the same" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:32:08 06/10/08 (8)

Clearly you didn't read or comprehend my post. - robert young 07:47:57 06/10/08 (7)

Robert I never claimed to have heard everything, Everything I've heard sounds different, usually strikingly so - Teresa 18:44:08 06/10/08 (3)

You two are extremists - robert young 18:48:57 06/10/08 (2)

That is not extreme but in 40 years of listening I have never heard two products that sound the same. - Teresa 19:22:34 06/10/08 (1)

The JREF challenge was made for you. - robert young 19:29:42 06/10/08 (0)

teresa and I were hired by the Alert Moderators to entertain you - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:45 06/10/08 (2)

RE: teresa and I were hired by the Alert Moderators to entertain you - Analog Scott 08:55:20 06/10/08 (0)

You're learning, Richard. - robert young 08:18:07 06/10/08 (0)

"Reality supported by objective proof is my goal " OK show us.. - Analog Scott 09:06:32 06/9/08 (5)

I never said all cables sound the same -- I merely noted there was no proof any two sounded different - Richard BassNut Greene 09:21:56 06/9/08 (4)

Likewise there is no proof that some cables don't sound different - Analog Scott 09:34:23 06/9/08 (3)

There is no proof you have three legs either - Richard BassNut Greene 06/9/0816:07:01 06/9/08 (2)

More strawmen, RG. Makes me wonder... - robert young 18:57:01 06/9/08 (0)

Actually there is plenty. - Analog Scott 17:42:14 06/9/08 (0)

Dude you are a poster boy for objectivist B.S. - Analog Scott 12:18:06 06/7/08 (12)

Greenhill went much too far to create audible wire differences -- Teresa has never done any test - Richard BassNut Greene 12:45:16 06/8/08 (9)

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and well JUST TOTALLY WRONG! - Teresa 18:35:52 06/8/08 (0)

Dude you are so predictable - Analog Scott 13:11:44 06/8/08 (7)

There were no blind tests - Richard BassNut Greene 08:43:13 06/9/08 (6)

Dude you can repeat your nonsense all you want - Analog Scott 08:59:21 06/9/08 (5)

Hearing that thick boombox speaker cables are LOUDER than thin cables means nothing -- that's no test - Richard BassNut Greene 16:08:45 06/9/08 (4)

You didn't read well the Monster rep even turned the Monster equipped down so the non-Monster would be louder. - Teresa 18:28:50 06/9/08 (3)

Test methodology for your beloved boombox wire "test" is the worst I've read in 40 years as an audiophile - Richard BassNut Greene 07:52:59 06/10/08 (2)

The whole purpose of Monster's Boombox test is to PROVE no matter how cheap your stereo is EXCELLENT - Teresa 19:05:00 06/10/08 (1)

Teresa sez: "cable makes a huge difference" ... while WireNut Jon Risch sez: 'cable differences are subtle' ????????? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:16 06/11/08 (0)

RE: Dude you are a poster boy for objectivist B.S. - middleground 07:20:23 06/8/08 (1)

Sure you are. N/T - carcass93 07:56:34 06/10/08 (0)

Nope, never happened, not possible.... - Analog Scott 11:05:15 06/7/08 (0)

There's no way to eliminate bias from personal preferences -- too complicated for you? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:26:43 06/6/08 (10)

At least you got half of it right this time. - Analog Scott 09:09:21 06/6/08 (9)

I agree with Richard BassNut Greene on this one, I don't care how good a speaker sounds if it is ugly. - Teresa 03:29:36 06/7/08 (8)

Do you want to listen to it or go out on a date with it? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:05:36 06/7/08 (6)

RE: Do you want to listen to it or go out on a date with it? - worse yet I have to live with the speakers. - Teresa 16:47:17 06/7/08 (3)

Teresa that was just a joke no need for a serious reply - Richard BassNut Greene 12:59:40 06/8/08 (2)

Very humorous replay, nice to see your not serious all the time. (;-) nt - Teresa 18:39:16 06/8/08 (1)

If you get all riled up, from anything I post, please remember I am actually doing you a favor by riling you up - Richard BassNut Greene 09:00:48 06/9/08 (0)

Are you crazy? - petehh 12:51:07 06/7/08 (1)

There's scary amount of wisdom in your post - Richard BassNut Greene 12:49:54 06/8/08 (0)

You may not like ugly speakers - Analog Scott 10:29:25 06/7/08 (0)

The T in the DBT is a bias introduced... - RGA 19:54:42 06/5/08 (25)

"Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:53 06/6/08 (22)

RE: "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - RGA 14:51:35 06/6/08 (0)

RE: "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - Analog Scott 09:11:33 06/6/08 (20)

You are among the slowest audiophiles I've ever encountered -- did you take the short bus to school? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:02:18 06/6/08 (19)

Bas nut you really are embarrassing your fellow objectivists - Analog Scott 10:27:15 06/7/08 (0)

actually "everything sounds the same" is the myth. - Teresa 03:49:19 06/7/08 (10)

I NEVER SAID "everything sounds the same" -- you appear brainwashed that all components sound different - Richard BassNut Greene 11:28:21 06/7/08 (9)

From over 40 years of listening I have never in my entire life found 2 of anything that sound the same! NEVER - Teresa 16:56:54 06/7/08 (5)

It's true because I say so is not exactly the scientific objective proof I was seeking - Richard BassNut Greene 13:04:10 06/8/08 (4)

I can tell you why, that 50-75% of the time he/she liked that part of the song/selection better. - Teresa 18:49:48 06/8/08 (0)

When have you ever sought "scientific objective proof" of anything? - Analog Scott 18:45:33 06/8/08 (2)

"You only seek that which suits your dogma & reject everything that contradicts it."(every DOGMA has it's day) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:31 06/9/08 (1)

RE: "You only seek that which suits your dogma & reject everything that contradicts it."(every DOGMA has it's day) - Analog Scott 14:06:33 06/9/08 (0)

And no one said "everything sounds different," either, RBGN. - robert young 11:59:40 06/7/08 (2)

Almost every statement by high-end audiophiles implies everything sounds different - Richard BassNut Greene 12:13:00 06/7/08 (1)

""I can't hear a difference" is rarely, if ever, claimed ... even when a component is compared with itself!" - robert young 12:28:27 06/7/08 (0)

RE: You are among the slowest audiophiles I've ever encountered -- did you take the short bus to school? - RGA 14:58:20 06/6/08 (5)

Short bus for you too? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:35:56 06/7/08 (4)

Man you need help help finding the bus... - RGA 17:57:27 06/7/08 (3)

I chased the bus to school every day ... and then back home too - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:02 06/9/08 (0)

RGA, re. Hi-Fi Choice, are you meaning to say ... - Feanor 04:15:46 06/8/08 (1)

RE: RGA, re. Hi-Fi Choice, are you meaning to say ... - RGA 10:43:55 06/8/08 (0)

Not that there's anything wrong with the short bus (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 12:03:35 06/6/08 (0)

It doesn't have to be. - Analog Scott 23:28:20 06/5/08 (1)

RE: It doesn't have to be. - RGA 15:15:38 06/6/08 (0)

RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - David Aiken 22:02:21 06/4/08 (18)

RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:39:58 06/5/08 (0)

RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - Analog Scott 22:44:01 06/4/08 (16)

RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:43:38 06/5/08 (0)

RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - RGA 23:34:12 06/4/08 (14)

People will still have preferences, I listen to every format except 8 track cartridge and - Teresa 04:24:27 06/7/08 (0)

RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:51:56 06/5/08 (12)

RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - RGA 11:19:47 06/5/08 (11)

Oh you mean the dealer who carries stuff he personally thinks is crap. - bjh 05:20:46 06/6/08 (10)

RE: Oh you mean the dealer who carries stuff he personally thinks is crap. - RGA 00:16:34 06/7/08 (0)

Those are the dealers I trust most - Analog Scott 09:14:37 06/6/08 (8)

RE: Those are the dealers I trust most - RGA 00:28:21 06/7/08 (6)

"I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - bjh 15:19:00 06/7/08 (5)

RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - RGA 18:18:49 06/7/08 (1)

RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - bjh 21:20:01 06/7/08 (0)

RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - Analog Scott 16:12:08 06/7/08 (2)

They just another crap dealer... - bjh 21:21:10 06/7/08 (1)

That's just another crap opinion - Analog Scott 14:24:44 06/8/08 (0)

Not me! nt - bjh 10:37:29 06/6/08 (0)

RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - Todd Krieger 19:35:09 06/4/08 (1)

RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - RGA 23:37:53 06/4/08 (0)

It's good to see that vinyl is getting the respect it deserves but - Analog Scott 14:01:19 06/4/08 (0)

RE: Vinyl analysis -- Musicians rate CD vs. LP sound in blindfold test - tomservo 13:38:54 06/4/08 (14)

Hisssss..... - clarkjohnsen 08:22:19 06/5/08 (13)

RE: Hisssss..... - middleground 18:56:28 06/7/08 (2)

I live in that enchanted world of vinyl of well as over 90% of my vinyl has no extraneous noise - Teresa 19:04:40 06/8/08 (0)

"You live in an enchanted world of vinyl my friend." No. I was raised in... - clarkjohnsen 10:53:59 06/8/08 (0)

RE: Hisssss..... - tomservo 12:07:35 06/5/08 (9)

I was responding to what you had said about "obvious hiss" and "familiar flaws". - clarkjohnsen 13:30:00 06/5/08 (8)

RE: I was responding to what you had said about "obvious hiss" and "familiar flaws". - Rael 23:13:58 06/30/08 (0)

"how does one play a digital master in one's system?" That's easy! Any CD is a bit-for-bit copy... - clarkjohnsen 07:42:09 07/1/08 (0)

RE: "how does one play a digital master in one's system?" That's easy! Any CD is a bit-for-bit copy... - Rael 08:05:58 07/1/08 (0)

The Nova Physics Memory Player inverts phase if you want it to. Your choice, always, in any event. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:51:32 07/1/08 (0)

RE: I was responding to what you had said about "obvious hiss" and "familiar flaws". - middleground 19:00:32 06/7/08 (2)

"You what you like." Am what eat. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:54:55 06/8/08 (1)

RE: "You what you like." Am what eat. nt - middleground 16:12:21 06/9/08 (0)

RE: I was responding to what you had said about "obvious hiss" and "familiar flaws". - tomservo 15:00:00 06/5/08 (4)

Now you're running on premium! - clarkjohnsen 08:00:12 06/6/08 (3)

RE: Now you're running on premium! - tomservo 13:30:13 06/6/08 (2)

I understand your logic, but there's a hitch. Or two. - clarkjohnsen 09:16:29 06/7/08 (1)

RE: I understand your logic, but there's a hitch. Or two. - tomservo 11:31:47 06/7/08 (0)

"the fuzzy warmth, full low-end and hiss of vinyl vs. cleaner, clearer, crisper CD digital sound" - bigi 13:19:37 06/4/08 (1)

That's correct, although I detected a hint of irony in "cleaner, clearer, crisper". nt - clarkjohnsen 08:26:40 06/5/08 (0)

Demonstration....... [yt] - Todd Krieger 12:19:22 06/4/08 (5)

Hello!!! The internet audio is digital ! - drums12344321@yahoo.com 22:17:50 06/4/08 (2)

The nature of the source still makes a difference. Amazing! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:25:13 06/5/08 (0)

Hello...... Yes It Is...... - Todd Krieger 01:06:33 06/5/08 (0)

Only a true believer would credit this ~nt - Feanor 12:30:37 06/4/08 (1)

You Should Listen...... - Todd Krieger 12:39:57 06/4/08 (0)

You can't hyper compress a record like you can with a CD. Duh! nt - Dan Banquer 11:58:03 06/4/08 (1)

News to me - Analog Scott 13:57:20 06/4/08 (0)

Clark, accepting that you are merely the messenger here, - M3 lover 10:56:34 06/4/08 (5)

RE: Clark, accepting that you are merely the messenger here, - mauimusicman 12:56:16 06/4/08 (2)

Acoustic Alchemy's "This Way" - Duilawyer 23:06:15 06/4/08 (0)

maui, hope you noticed I acknowledged exceptions . . . - M3 lover 16:41:55 06/4/08 (0)

I asked a musician friend of mine his take... - DaveInVA 11:48:32 06/4/08 (0)

RE: Clark, accepting that you are merely the messenger here, - robber 11:24:58 06/4/08 (0)

There a two ways to look at this - Feanor 10:35:59 06/4/08 (0)

RE: Vinyl analysis -- Musicians rate CD vs. LP sound in blindfold test - no1maestro 10:33:55 06/4/08 (0)

This reminded me... - Jim Austin 10:14:23 06/4/08 (0)

I think the bottom line is - JeffH 09:16:28 06/4/08 (1)

You make a great point. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:21:19 06/4/08 (0)

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There is no proof you have three legs either - Richard BassNut Greene 06/9/0816:07:01 06/9/08 (2)

More strawmen, RG. Makes me wonder... - robert young 18:57:01 06/9/08 (0)

Actually there is plenty. - Analog Scott 17:42:14 06/9/08 (0)

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