In Reply to: My Mom could hear the difference between Original Monster, 12 Gauge Discwasher and 14 Gauge lamp cord posted by Teresa on June 7, 2008 at 03:12:51:
I bought 12.5AWG Monster Cables when they were introduced to the public thinking they would improve the bass, and was disappointed by the only change I could hear and measure -- they were merely louder than my 16AWG zip cord even with the few songs I had on vinyl that had significant deep bass SPL!
At the time, I had every reason to justify my purchase to make myself appear wise, but could not.
You are NOT correct about any audible change to the bass frequency response, relative to 1000Hz., from Monster 12.5AWG vs. 12AWG vs. 14AWG.
This would be easy to measure, but no one has ever been able to provide measurements to show any significant difference (much less an AUDIBLE difference) other than small meaningless SPL differences, which may be audible.
I did measurements with my sound meter mic one inch from my bass cone dust cap to see if my 12.5AWG Monster Cable vs. my old 16AWG zip cord made a difference - I was disappointed to find it did not, other than the overall SPL was louder.
The Stereo Review Laurence Greenhill double blind speaker wire test also contradicts your non-scientific "even my Mom could hear a difference" claims.
You have your beliefs about audio and I don't expect you to change them -- that doesn't mean they are correct.
Your belief that everything sounds different to your ears is very unlikely to be correct because not one audiophile in over three decades has ever been able to demonstrate hearing ability anywhere close to the "everything sounds different" belief.
You would have us believe, without any test results as proof, that your ears are significantly better than EVERYONE ELSE who has ever submitted to a controlled listening test in over three decades?
Self-serving claims like that make me laugh.
I hope you enjoy your "everything sounds different" belief, but please don't mislead fellow audiophiles that an imagined ability, that you have never, and could never, prove to any witness, is common among audiophiles.
The everything sounds different belief can cost an audiophile a lot of money over a lifetime, scares off new people from the hobby, and leads to beliefs in snake oil products such as the Tice Clock, Brilliant Pebbles, Intelligent Chips, and other do-nothing products that only lighten the wallets of gullible audiophiles.
You are doing a disservice to the hobby with your "even my Mother could hear a difference" scientific test!!!.
Sure someone may hear a difference when a thicker speaker wires plays louder than a thinner speaker wire.
That doesn't mean any difference is audible when A-B SPL's are matched, and wire differences of normal length wires have not been audible in any test so far, in over three decades.
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Richard BassNut Greene
"The Floyd R. Turbo of Bingham Farms Michigan"
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Follow Ups
- Complete fiction. I've done measurements and so have others - Richard BassNut Greene 06/8/0812:18:47 06/8/08 (13)
- Not matter what you throw out it is 100% true. YOU WERE NOT THERE! I wish you were so you would shut up - Teresa 18:16:14 06/8/08 (12)
- "My Mom could hear the difference from the other room while doing dishes" = makes audiophiles look foolish - Richard BassNut Greene 08:01:09 06/9/08 (11)
- You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cables - Teresa 09:45:26 06/9/08 (10)
- RE: You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cab - middleground 03:56:18 06/10/08 (8)
- Music is the important thing, good equipment is just a path there. - Teresa 18:19:14 06/10/08 (3)
- "I also score one for Bass Nut for mediocrity and for betraying his own name. He is also a sad sack " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:16 06/11/08 (2)
- This must be your Asylum fantasy... - robert young 03:31:04 06/12/08 (1)
- Maybe Teresa is really my alter ego? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:01:51 06/12/08 (0)
- "I would score one for Bass Nut. " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:23:40 06/10/08 (3)
- Why not listen to music instead of so-called scientists and their phoney tests? Music is THE important thing! - Teresa 18:33:08 06/10/08 (2)
- "a 4 inch woofer would be no different than a 12 inch ..." - Richard BassNut Greene 08:40:52 06/11/08 (1)
- "...Except it would have Woofer Envy" (nt) - kerr 12:31:25 06/11/08 (0)
- Not quite. Audiophiles believe they hear differences but can NEVER prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 16:00:11 06/9/08 (0)