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In Reply to: RE: The sound issue is a non issue... posted by RGA on June 4, 2008 at 19:17:41:
So bias effects magically disappear once everyone agrees there is an audible difference? Um no, it doesn't work that way.
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- "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - Analog Scott 06/4/0821:13:06 06/4/08 (113)
- If you can really hear a difference, personal preference is the right word, not "bias" - Richard BassNut Greene 14:56:45 06/5/08 (93)
- My Mom could hear the difference between Original Monster, 12 Gauge Discwasher and 14 Gauge lamp cord - Teresa 03:12:51 06/7/08 (15)
- Complete fiction. I've done measurements and so have others - Richard BassNut Greene 12:18:47 06/8/08 (13)
- Not matter what you throw out it is 100% true. YOU WERE NOT THERE! I wish you were so you would shut up - Teresa 18:16:14 06/8/08 (12)
- "My Mom could hear the difference from the other room while doing dishes" = makes audiophiles look foolish - Richard BassNut Greene 08:01:09 06/9/08 (11)
- You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cables - Teresa 09:45:26 06/9/08 (10)
- RE: You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cab - middleground 03:56:18 06/10/08 (8)
- Music is the important thing, good equipment is just a path there. - Teresa 18:19:14 06/10/08 (3)
- "I also score one for Bass Nut for mediocrity and for betraying his own name. He is also a sad sack " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:16 06/11/08 (2)
- This must be your Asylum fantasy... - robert young 03:31:04 06/12/08 (1)
- Maybe Teresa is really my alter ego? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:01:51 06/12/08 (0)
- "I would score one for Bass Nut. " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:23:40 06/10/08 (3)
- Why not listen to music instead of so-called scientists and their phoney tests? Music is THE important thing! - Teresa 18:33:08 06/10/08 (2)
- "a 4 inch woofer would be no different than a 12 inch ..." - Richard BassNut Greene 08:40:52 06/11/08 (1)
- "...Except it would have Woofer Envy" (nt) - kerr 12:31:25 06/11/08 (0)
- Not quite. Audiophiles believe they hear differences but can NEVER prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 16:00:11 06/9/08 (0)
- RE: My Mom could hear the difference between Original Monster, 12 Gauge Discwasher and 14 Gauge lamp cord - middleground 07:16:39 06/8/08 (0)
- How do you manage to be wrong all the time? Even a coin flip is right half the time - Analog Scott 15:45:16 06/5/08 (76)
- Yep he made that up out of the clear blue - Teresa 03:23:52 06/7/08 (38)
- You describe a nonsense "test" where Monster Cables play louder than thin cables = ho hum (non-science = nonsense) - Richard BassNut Greene 11:14:34 06/7/08 (36)
- FTI the Monster cable had more bass at low, medium and high levels, at any level, do you understand? - Teresa 16:35:13 06/7/08 (22)
- Only an imbecile would respond to a post about a "test" done with a Panasonic boombox - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:19 06/8/08 (21)
- The Panasonic boombox's had detachable speakers one rewired with Monster one with the original cables. - Teresa 18:24:20 06/8/08 (20)
- Reality supported by objective proof is my goal -- your goal is believing everything sounds different ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:27:25 06/9/08 (19)
- You really are insane! How do you explain each line of cable having it's own "house" sound - Teresa 09:54:01 06/9/08 (12)
- Overactive audiophile imaginations is the most logical explanation - Richard BassNut Greene 16:01:57 06/9/08 (11)
- If you refer to the right tests then coloration of different brands of speaker cables is easily verified blind - Teresa 18:11:04 06/9/08 (10)
- I don't believe they could, Teresa. - robert young 19:06:20 06/9/08 (9)
- "Many cables DO sound the same" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:32:08 06/10/08 (8)
- Clearly you didn't read or comprehend my post. - robert young 07:47:57 06/10/08 (7)
- Robert I never claimed to have heard everything, Everything I've heard sounds different, usually strikingly so - Teresa 18:44:08 06/10/08 (3)
- You two are extremists - robert young 18:48:57 06/10/08 (2)
- That is not extreme but in 40 years of listening I have never heard two products that sound the same. - Teresa 19:22:34 06/10/08 (1)
- The JREF challenge was made for you. - robert young 19:29:42 06/10/08 (0)
- teresa and I were hired by the Alert Moderators to entertain you - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:45 06/10/08 (2)
- RE: teresa and I were hired by the Alert Moderators to entertain you - Analog Scott 08:55:20 06/10/08 (0)
- You're learning, Richard. - robert young 08:18:07 06/10/08 (0)
- "Reality supported by objective proof is my goal " OK show us.. - Analog Scott 09:06:32 06/9/08 (5)
- I never said all cables sound the same -- I merely noted there was no proof any two sounded different - Richard BassNut Greene 09:21:56 06/9/08 (4)
- Likewise there is no proof that some cables don't sound different - Analog Scott 09:34:23 06/9/08 (3)
- There is no proof you have three legs either - Richard BassNut Greene 16:07:01 06/9/08 (2)
- More strawmen, RG. Makes me wonder... - robert young 18:57:01 06/9/08 (0)
- Actually there is plenty. - Analog Scott 17:42:14 06/9/08 (0)
- Dude you are a poster boy for objectivist B.S. - Analog Scott 12:18:06 06/7/08 (12)
- Greenhill went much too far to create audible wire differences -- Teresa has never done any test - Richard BassNut Greene 12:45:16 06/8/08 (9)
- WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and well JUST TOTALLY WRONG! - Teresa 18:35:52 06/8/08 (0)
- Dude you are so predictable - Analog Scott 13:11:44 06/8/08 (7)
- There were no blind tests - Richard BassNut Greene 08:43:13 06/9/08 (6)
- Dude you can repeat your nonsense all you want - Analog Scott 08:59:21 06/9/08 (5)
- Hearing that thick boombox speaker cables are LOUDER than thin cables means nothing -- that's no test - Richard BassNut Greene 16:08:45 06/9/08 (4)
- You didn't read well the Monster rep even turned the Monster equipped down so the non-Monster would be louder. - Teresa 18:28:50 06/9/08 (3)
- Test methodology for your beloved boombox wire "test" is the worst I've read in 40 years as an audiophile - Richard BassNut Greene 07:52:59 06/10/08 (2)
- The whole purpose of Monster's Boombox test is to PROVE no matter how cheap your stereo is EXCELLENT - Teresa 19:05:00 06/10/08 (1)
- Teresa sez: "cable makes a huge difference" ... while WireNut Jon Risch sez: 'cable differences are subtle' ????????? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:16 06/11/08 (0)
- RE: Dude you are a poster boy for objectivist B.S. - middleground 07:20:23 06/8/08 (1)
- Sure you are. N/T - carcass93 07:56:34 06/10/08 (0)
- Nope, never happened, not possible.... - Analog Scott 11:05:15 06/7/08 (0)
- There's no way to eliminate bias from personal preferences -- too complicated for you? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:26:43 06/6/08 (10)
- At least you got half of it right this time. - Analog Scott 09:09:21 06/6/08 (9)
- I agree with Richard BassNut Greene on this one, I don't care how good a speaker sounds if it is ugly. - Teresa 03:29:36 06/7/08 (8)
- Do you want to listen to it or go out on a date with it? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:05:36 06/7/08 (6)
- RE: Do you want to listen to it or go out on a date with it? - worse yet I have to live with the speakers. - Teresa 16:47:17 06/7/08 (3)
- Teresa that was just a joke no need for a serious reply - Richard BassNut Greene 12:59:40 06/8/08 (2)
- Very humorous replay, nice to see your not serious all the time. (;-) nt - Teresa 18:39:16 06/8/08 (1)
- If you get all riled up, from anything I post, please remember I am actually doing you a favor by riling you up - Richard BassNut Greene 09:00:48 06/9/08 (0)
- Are you crazy? - petehh 12:51:07 06/7/08 (1)
- There's scary amount of wisdom in your post - Richard BassNut Greene 12:49:54 06/8/08 (0)
- You may not like ugly speakers - Analog Scott 10:29:25 06/7/08 (0)
- The T in the DBT is a bias introduced... - RGA 19:54:42 06/5/08 (25)
- "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:53 06/6/08 (22)
- RE: "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - RGA 14:51:35 06/6/08 (0)
- RE: "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - Analog Scott 09:11:33 06/6/08 (20)
- You are among the slowest audiophiles I've ever encountered -- did you take the short bus to school? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:02:18 06/6/08 (19)
- Bas nut you really are embarrassing your fellow objectivists - Analog Scott 10:27:15 06/7/08 (0)
- actually "everything sounds the same" is the myth. - Teresa 03:49:19 06/7/08 (10)
- I NEVER SAID "everything sounds the same" -- you appear brainwashed that all components sound different - Richard BassNut Greene 11:28:21 06/7/08 (9)
- From over 40 years of listening I have never in my entire life found 2 of anything that sound the same! NEVER - Teresa 16:56:54 06/7/08 (5)
- It's true because I say so is not exactly the scientific objective proof I was seeking - Richard BassNut Greene 13:04:10 06/8/08 (4)
- I can tell you why, that 50-75% of the time he/she liked that part of the song/selection better. - Teresa 18:49:48 06/8/08 (0)
- When have you ever sought "scientific objective proof" of anything? - Analog Scott 18:45:33 06/8/08 (2)
- "You only seek that which suits your dogma & reject everything that contradicts it."(every DOGMA has it's day) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:31 06/9/08 (1)
- RE: "You only seek that which suits your dogma & reject everything that contradicts it."(every DOGMA has it's day) - Analog Scott 14:06:33 06/9/08 (0)
- And no one said "everything sounds different," either, RBGN. - robert young 11:59:40 06/7/08 (2)
- Almost every statement by high-end audiophiles implies everything sounds different - Richard BassNut Greene 12:13:00 06/7/08 (1)
- ""I can't hear a difference" is rarely, if ever, claimed ... even when a component is compared with itself!" - robert young 12:28:27 06/7/08 (0)
- RE: You are among the slowest audiophiles I've ever encountered -- did you take the short bus to school? - RGA 14:58:20 06/6/08 (5)
- Short bus for you too? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:35:56 06/7/08 (4)
- Man you need help help finding the bus... - RGA 17:57:27 06/7/08 (3)
- I chased the bus to school every day ... and then back home too - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:02 06/9/08 (0)
- RGA, re. Hi-Fi Choice, are you meaning to say ... - Feanor 04:15:46 06/8/08 (1)
- RE: RGA, re. Hi-Fi Choice, are you meaning to say ... - RGA 10:43:55 06/8/08 (0)
- Not that there's anything wrong with the short bus (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 12:03:35 06/6/08 (0)
- It doesn't have to be. - Analog Scott 23:28:20 06/5/08 (1)
- RE: It doesn't have to be. - RGA 15:15:38 06/6/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - David Aiken 22:02:21 06/4/08 (18)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:39:58 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - Analog Scott 22:44:01 06/4/08 (16)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:43:38 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - RGA 23:34:12 06/4/08 (14)
- People will still have preferences, I listen to every format except 8 track cartridge and - Teresa 04:24:27 06/7/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:51:56 06/5/08 (12)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - RGA 11:19:47 06/5/08 (11)
- Oh you mean the dealer who carries stuff he personally thinks is crap. - bjh 05:20:46 06/6/08 (10)
- RE: Oh you mean the dealer who carries stuff he personally thinks is crap. - RGA 00:16:34 06/7/08 (0)
- Those are the dealers I trust most - Analog Scott 09:14:37 06/6/08 (8)
- RE: Those are the dealers I trust most - RGA 00:28:21 06/7/08 (6)
- "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - bjh 15:19:00 06/7/08 (5)
- RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - RGA 18:18:49 06/7/08 (1)
- RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - bjh 21:20:01 06/7/08 (0)
- RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - Analog Scott 16:12:08 06/7/08 (2)
- They just another crap dealer... - bjh 21:21:10 06/7/08 (1)
- That's just another crap opinion - Analog Scott 14:24:44 06/8/08 (0)
- Not me! nt - bjh 10:37:29 06/6/08 (0)
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