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In Reply to: The sound issue is a non issue... posted by RGA on June 4, 2008 at 18:34:40:
The problem with blind testing LP vs. CD is the surface noise (or absence of it) will cue the listener regarding which medium is playing, so it isn't truly "blind" (the "sighted" being aural rather than visual). Simulated "surface noise" during the CD playback would be necessary so the listener couldn't distinguish one medium from the other. Easier said than done. (The best way to do this is playing a "silent groove" off the vinyl rig simultaneously with the CD.)
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- RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - Todd Krieger 06/4/0818:47:51 06/4/08 (117)
- RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - RGA 19:17:41 06/4/08 (116)
- "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - Analog Scott 21:13:06 06/4/08 (113)
- If you can really hear a difference, personal preference is the right word, not "bias" - Richard BassNut Greene 14:56:45 06/5/08 (93)
- My Mom could hear the difference between Original Monster, 12 Gauge Discwasher and 14 Gauge lamp cord - Teresa 03:12:51 06/7/08 (15)
- Complete fiction. I've done measurements and so have others - Richard BassNut Greene 12:18:47 06/8/08 (13)
- Not matter what you throw out it is 100% true. YOU WERE NOT THERE! I wish you were so you would shut up - Teresa 18:16:14 06/8/08 (12)
- "My Mom could hear the difference from the other room while doing dishes" = makes audiophiles look foolish - Richard BassNut Greene 08:01:09 06/9/08 (11)
- You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cables - Teresa 09:45:26 06/9/08 (10)
- RE: You are totally and completely wrong, audiophiles hear the difference in both interconnect and speaker cab - middleground 03:56:18 06/10/08 (8)
- Music is the important thing, good equipment is just a path there. - Teresa 18:19:14 06/10/08 (3)
- "I also score one for Bass Nut for mediocrity and for betraying his own name. He is also a sad sack " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:16 06/11/08 (2)
- This must be your Asylum fantasy... - robert young 03:31:04 06/12/08 (1)
- Maybe Teresa is really my alter ego? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:01:51 06/12/08 (0)
- "I would score one for Bass Nut. " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:23:40 06/10/08 (3)
- Why not listen to music instead of so-called scientists and their phoney tests? Music is THE important thing! - Teresa 18:33:08 06/10/08 (2)
- "a 4 inch woofer would be no different than a 12 inch ..." - Richard BassNut Greene 08:40:52 06/11/08 (1)
- "...Except it would have Woofer Envy" (nt) - kerr 12:31:25 06/11/08 (0)
- Not quite. Audiophiles believe they hear differences but can NEVER prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 16:00:11 06/9/08 (0)
- RE: My Mom could hear the difference between Original Monster, 12 Gauge Discwasher and 14 Gauge lamp cord - middleground 07:16:39 06/8/08 (0)
- How do you manage to be wrong all the time? Even a coin flip is right half the time - Analog Scott 15:45:16 06/5/08 (76)
- Yep he made that up out of the clear blue - Teresa 03:23:52 06/7/08 (38)
- You describe a nonsense "test" where Monster Cables play louder than thin cables = ho hum (non-science = nonsense) - Richard BassNut Greene 11:14:34 06/7/08 (36)
- FTI the Monster cable had more bass at low, medium and high levels, at any level, do you understand? - Teresa 16:35:13 06/7/08 (22)
- Only an imbecile would respond to a post about a "test" done with a Panasonic boombox - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:19 06/8/08 (21)
- The Panasonic boombox's had detachable speakers one rewired with Monster one with the original cables. - Teresa 18:24:20 06/8/08 (20)
- Reality supported by objective proof is my goal -- your goal is believing everything sounds different ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:27:25 06/9/08 (19)
- You really are insane! How do you explain each line of cable having it's own "house" sound - Teresa 09:54:01 06/9/08 (12)
- Overactive audiophile imaginations is the most logical explanation - Richard BassNut Greene 16:01:57 06/9/08 (11)
- If you refer to the right tests then coloration of different brands of speaker cables is easily verified blind - Teresa 18:11:04 06/9/08 (10)
- I don't believe they could, Teresa. - robert young 19:06:20 06/9/08 (9)
- "Many cables DO sound the same" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:32:08 06/10/08 (8)
- Clearly you didn't read or comprehend my post. - robert young 07:47:57 06/10/08 (7)
- Robert I never claimed to have heard everything, Everything I've heard sounds different, usually strikingly so - Teresa 18:44:08 06/10/08 (3)
- You two are extremists - robert young 18:48:57 06/10/08 (2)
- That is not extreme but in 40 years of listening I have never heard two products that sound the same. - Teresa 19:22:34 06/10/08 (1)
- The JREF challenge was made for you. - robert young 19:29:42 06/10/08 (0)
- teresa and I were hired by the Alert Moderators to entertain you - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:45 06/10/08 (2)
- RE: teresa and I were hired by the Alert Moderators to entertain you - Analog Scott 08:55:20 06/10/08 (0)
- You're learning, Richard. - robert young 08:18:07 06/10/08 (0)
- "Reality supported by objective proof is my goal " OK show us.. - Analog Scott 09:06:32 06/9/08 (5)
- I never said all cables sound the same -- I merely noted there was no proof any two sounded different - Richard BassNut Greene 09:21:56 06/9/08 (4)
- Likewise there is no proof that some cables don't sound different - Analog Scott 09:34:23 06/9/08 (3)
- There is no proof you have three legs either - Richard BassNut Greene 16:07:01 06/9/08 (2)
- More strawmen, RG. Makes me wonder... - robert young 18:57:01 06/9/08 (0)
- Actually there is plenty. - Analog Scott 17:42:14 06/9/08 (0)
- Dude you are a poster boy for objectivist B.S. - Analog Scott 12:18:06 06/7/08 (12)
- Greenhill went much too far to create audible wire differences -- Teresa has never done any test - Richard BassNut Greene 12:45:16 06/8/08 (9)
- WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and well JUST TOTALLY WRONG! - Teresa 18:35:52 06/8/08 (0)
- Dude you are so predictable - Analog Scott 13:11:44 06/8/08 (7)
- There were no blind tests - Richard BassNut Greene 08:43:13 06/9/08 (6)
- Dude you can repeat your nonsense all you want - Analog Scott 08:59:21 06/9/08 (5)
- Hearing that thick boombox speaker cables are LOUDER than thin cables means nothing -- that's no test - Richard BassNut Greene 16:08:45 06/9/08 (4)
- You didn't read well the Monster rep even turned the Monster equipped down so the non-Monster would be louder. - Teresa 18:28:50 06/9/08 (3)
- Test methodology for your beloved boombox wire "test" is the worst I've read in 40 years as an audiophile - Richard BassNut Greene 07:52:59 06/10/08 (2)
- The whole purpose of Monster's Boombox test is to PROVE no matter how cheap your stereo is EXCELLENT - Teresa 19:05:00 06/10/08 (1)
- Teresa sez: "cable makes a huge difference" ... while WireNut Jon Risch sez: 'cable differences are subtle' ????????? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:16 06/11/08 (0)
- RE: Dude you are a poster boy for objectivist B.S. - middleground 07:20:23 06/8/08 (1)
- Sure you are. N/T - carcass93 07:56:34 06/10/08 (0)
- Nope, never happened, not possible.... - Analog Scott 11:05:15 06/7/08 (0)
- There's no way to eliminate bias from personal preferences -- too complicated for you? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:26:43 06/6/08 (10)
- At least you got half of it right this time. - Analog Scott 09:09:21 06/6/08 (9)
- I agree with Richard BassNut Greene on this one, I don't care how good a speaker sounds if it is ugly. - Teresa 03:29:36 06/7/08 (8)
- Do you want to listen to it or go out on a date with it? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:05:36 06/7/08 (6)
- RE: Do you want to listen to it or go out on a date with it? - worse yet I have to live with the speakers. - Teresa 16:47:17 06/7/08 (3)
- Teresa that was just a joke no need for a serious reply - Richard BassNut Greene 12:59:40 06/8/08 (2)
- Very humorous replay, nice to see your not serious all the time. (;-) nt - Teresa 18:39:16 06/8/08 (1)
- If you get all riled up, from anything I post, please remember I am actually doing you a favor by riling you up - Richard BassNut Greene 09:00:48 06/9/08 (0)
- Are you crazy? - petehh 12:51:07 06/7/08 (1)
- There's scary amount of wisdom in your post - Richard BassNut Greene 12:49:54 06/8/08 (0)
- You may not like ugly speakers - Analog Scott 10:29:25 06/7/08 (0)
- The T in the DBT is a bias introduced... - RGA 19:54:42 06/5/08 (25)
- "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:53 06/6/08 (22)
- RE: "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - RGA 14:51:35 06/6/08 (0)
- RE: "Clearly where a DBT is useful is when someone claims HUGE differences " = WrOnG ... wRoNg ... WrOnG - Analog Scott 09:11:33 06/6/08 (20)
- You are among the slowest audiophiles I've ever encountered -- did you take the short bus to school? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:02:18 06/6/08 (19)
- Bas nut you really are embarrassing your fellow objectivists - Analog Scott 10:27:15 06/7/08 (0)
- actually "everything sounds the same" is the myth. - Teresa 03:49:19 06/7/08 (10)
- I NEVER SAID "everything sounds the same" -- you appear brainwashed that all components sound different - Richard BassNut Greene 11:28:21 06/7/08 (9)
- From over 40 years of listening I have never in my entire life found 2 of anything that sound the same! NEVER - Teresa 16:56:54 06/7/08 (5)
- It's true because I say so is not exactly the scientific objective proof I was seeking - Richard BassNut Greene 13:04:10 06/8/08 (4)
- I can tell you why, that 50-75% of the time he/she liked that part of the song/selection better. - Teresa 18:49:48 06/8/08 (0)
- When have you ever sought "scientific objective proof" of anything? - Analog Scott 18:45:33 06/8/08 (2)
- "You only seek that which suits your dogma & reject everything that contradicts it."(every DOGMA has it's day) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:31 06/9/08 (1)
- RE: "You only seek that which suits your dogma & reject everything that contradicts it."(every DOGMA has it's day) - Analog Scott 14:06:33 06/9/08 (0)
- And no one said "everything sounds different," either, RBGN. - robert young 11:59:40 06/7/08 (2)
- Almost every statement by high-end audiophiles implies everything sounds different - Richard BassNut Greene 12:13:00 06/7/08 (1)
- ""I can't hear a difference" is rarely, if ever, claimed ... even when a component is compared with itself!" - robert young 12:28:27 06/7/08 (0)
- RE: You are among the slowest audiophiles I've ever encountered -- did you take the short bus to school? - RGA 14:58:20 06/6/08 (5)
- Short bus for you too? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:35:56 06/7/08 (4)
- Man you need help help finding the bus... - RGA 17:57:27 06/7/08 (3)
- I chased the bus to school every day ... and then back home too - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:02 06/9/08 (0)
- RGA, re. Hi-Fi Choice, are you meaning to say ... - Feanor 04:15:46 06/8/08 (1)
- RE: RGA, re. Hi-Fi Choice, are you meaning to say ... - RGA 10:43:55 06/8/08 (0)
- Not that there's anything wrong with the short bus (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 12:03:35 06/6/08 (0)
- It doesn't have to be. - Analog Scott 23:28:20 06/5/08 (1)
- RE: It doesn't have to be. - RGA 15:15:38 06/6/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - David Aiken 22:02:21 06/4/08 (18)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:39:58 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - Analog Scott 22:44:01 06/4/08 (16)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:43:38 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - RGA 23:34:12 06/4/08 (14)
- People will still have preferences, I listen to every format except 8 track cartridge and - Teresa 04:24:27 06/7/08 (0)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - middleground 07:51:56 06/5/08 (12)
- RE: "You don't need a blind test for something that has clearly audible differences. And with LP they do." - RGA 11:19:47 06/5/08 (11)
- Oh you mean the dealer who carries stuff he personally thinks is crap. - bjh 05:20:46 06/6/08 (10)
- RE: Oh you mean the dealer who carries stuff he personally thinks is crap. - RGA 00:16:34 06/7/08 (0)
- Those are the dealers I trust most - Analog Scott 09:14:37 06/6/08 (8)
- RE: Those are the dealers I trust most - RGA 00:28:21 06/7/08 (6)
- "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - bjh 15:19:00 06/7/08 (5)
- RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - RGA 18:18:49 06/7/08 (1)
- RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - bjh 21:20:01 06/7/08 (0)
- RE: "I see no problem with that. If you don't ask them they won't say - if you do they will." - Analog Scott 16:12:08 06/7/08 (2)
- They just another crap dealer... - bjh 21:21:10 06/7/08 (1)
- That's just another crap opinion - Analog Scott 14:24:44 06/8/08 (0)
- Not me! nt - bjh 10:37:29 06/6/08 (0)
- RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - Todd Krieger 19:35:09 06/4/08 (1)
- RE: The sound issue is a non issue... - RGA 23:37:53 06/4/08 (0)
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