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In Reply to: The issue as I see it... posted by Audio Pharaoh on April 29, 2004 at 12:58:35:
"But, if they just source the raw wire, repackage and then just resell without having done any of their own geometry, shielding etc..etc.., this would be a fraudulent act for sure and they should be held liable for whatever the law would indict"Actually no, in my opinion, that is not fraud. If, however, they advertised that.
1/ They have exclusive expertise in the field
2/ Their expertise enables them to design a superior product
3/ Their expertise enables them to hand fabricate superior products
4/ Their expertise ensures the final product embodies the attributes you'd expect to pay premium for.
5/ The price and function of the product fairly reflects this exclusive expertise.If the above conditions are met and if their final product in reality was created independent of the above expertise and available for a remarkably lower price elsewhere, then it's my belief that meets the conditions of mis-leading or deceptive advertising practises.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - What's REALLY going on here? - tkheem 11:07:07 04/29/04 (162)
- Only surpassed by Tosh 3950....LOL - bartc 09:23:39 04/30/04 (0)
- To those who defend JPS saying all audio cable mfgs are simply relabeling stock - Caymus 08:39:29 04/30/04 (1)
- Re: To those who defend JPS saying all audio cable mfgs are simply relabeling stock - Dan Banquer 11:56:37 04/30/04 (0)
- Knowing what you now know, would you ever consider buying this cable? - driver8 07:35:53 04/30/04 (2)
- Re: Knowing what you now know... - Jay 08:07:11 04/30/04 (1)
- Re: Knowing what you now know... - driver8 08:21:43 04/30/04 (0)
- no troubles - eungkim67 18:30:22 04/29/04 (8)
- Re: no troubles - Jay 22:24:35 04/29/04 (7)
- I really don't - eungkim67 16:03:19 04/30/04 (0)
- No different than Wilson, Silverline or Merlin speakers with Dynaudio, SEAS or Scanspeak drivers - Ian Mackenzie 07:00:25 04/30/04 (5)
- Re: OEM components - Jay 09:43:18 04/30/04 (0)
- Re: No different than Wilson, Silverline or Merlin speakers with Dynaudio, SEAS or Scanspeak drivers - Hafdef 09:22:13 04/30/04 (0)
- What after market "value" has been added in regard to the... - DeKay 08:53:35 04/30/04 (0)
- Completely diferent. What if a Teac $149 speaker is - Duilawyer 07:16:06 04/30/04 (1)
- How do you know it's not ? - chris_w 03:03:33 05/1/04 (0)
- Healthy discussion - varied viewpoints - just like politics or religion - big grin - Triodeuser 17:06:47 04/29/04 (8)
- Of course amps do have a high labor, design, and r&d costs... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:27:35 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Healthy discussion - varied viewpoints - just like politics or religion - big grin - Phil Tower 17:41:46 04/29/04 (6)
- Re: Healthy discussion - varied viewpoints - just like politics or religion - big grin - elmuncy@yahoo.com 08:01:20 04/30/04 (0)
- Re: Healthy discussion - varied viewpoints - just like politics or religion - big grin - Rod M 17:52:49 04/29/04 (2)
- Re: Healthy discussion - varied viewpoints - just like politics or religion - big grin - Phil Tower 18:05:18 04/29/04 (1)
- Steve Eddy is not the Devil hes just Dr EVIL !! - chris_w 12:29:34 04/30/04 (0)
- I certainly agree - Triodeuser 17:50:16 04/29/04 (1)
- Re: I certainly agree - Phil Tower 09:25:19 05/1/04 (0)
- I am sure, Kevin, that you must appriciate the irony in the fact that - rp1@surfnetusa.com 15:26:30 04/29/04 (4)
- So will you be listing it on A'gon as a Eupen for $30? Just kidding, but........ - Rick W 16:13:13 04/29/04 (1)
- Naw, but others are welcome to...but they will have to mark up to... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:18:30 04/29/04 (0)
- So, is it all about post marathons ?...:-)..n/t - Audio Pharaoh 15:44:54 04/29/04 (1)
- Not hardly, but it is ironic. nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 15:54:34 04/29/04 (0)
- Two Points - kavakidd 14:22:34 04/29/04 (2)
- Love your tag line!!...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:25:17 04/29/04 (1)
- Re: Love your tag line!!...nt - kavakidd 14:30:57 04/29/04 (0)
- 'JPS Digital AC is not a stock cable' ... - SoftwireEngineer 14:21:48 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - itsthemusic 13:57:25 04/29/04 (1)
- In the 80's I used to work for a Boiler shop that - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:05:38 04/29/04 (0)
- I think it is also worth noting that ... - bjh 13:46:52 04/29/04 (3)
- I think my wife was correct when she said... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:56:47 04/29/04 (2)
- Not all! I'm happy with my DH Labs BL1 and DIY power cords. ... - bjh 14:00:35 04/29/04 (1)
- I am happy with both Goertz (who does make their own stuff)... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:09:02 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Caveat emptor, P.T. Barnum sayings, etc...(nt) - mkuller 13:16:40 04/29/04 (1)
- Tell that to the FTC (nt) - Phil Tower 13:17:58 04/29/04 (0)
- Simple..... - Jetsons 12:43:47 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - OK_phono 12:17:06 04/29/04 (1)
- Re: Speaking of Nike... - mkuller 13:22:44 04/29/04 (0)
- JPS also falsely claim different designs to "exactly match each components' needs" - Caymus 12:17:00 04/29/04 (10)
- Re: That would be... - mkuller 13:29:37 04/29/04 (6)
- If "Bayer Aspirin" and "Bayer Non-Aspirin" were the exact same product... - Dalton 13:45:55 04/29/04 (4)
- Nutritional con-artists are constantly trying that - Caymus 14:14:47 04/29/04 (3)
- Re: Nutritional con-artists are constantly trying that - Jack Gribble 23:07:16 04/29/04 (0)
- curiously DBT proves the efficassy of Drugs. - chris_w 16:22:44 04/29/04 (0)
- Why, can't you? I am sensitive - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:24:11 04/29/04 (0)
- What if beneath the label they ALL were stamped "Advil Sinus and Cold" - Caymus 13:42:57 04/29/04 (0)
- It is still just possible that, numbers or no, the filter - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:39:46 04/29/04 (2)
- Identical part numbers for two products – not likely! - Caymus 13:01:35 04/29/04 (1)
- I am not going to buy one to find out!....lol...nt.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:05:19 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - marc g. 12:15:33 04/29/04 (1)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - elmuncy@yahoo.com 08:11:12 04/30/04 (0)
- Just killing time till next month's MF reviews :-) (nt) - PdL 12:14:29 04/29/04 (9)
- Yes, more coming up. Happy to oblige.(nt) - samtellig 13:47:40 04/29/04 (8)
- Hi Sam. - Phil Tower 07:38:58 04/30/04 (1)
- Thanks Phil. The next column will be a hoot. WATCH for it!(nt) - samtellig 09:38:25 04/30/04 (0)
- And I will see it and moan, perhaps bitch a little, then go on reading the stuff I like. What a concept! - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:58:55 04/29/04 (5)
- Oh, you'll love the next column. WATCH for it.(nt) - samtellig 14:06:01 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: Oh, you'll love the next column. WATCH for it.(nt) - old geezer 17:16:47 04/29/04 (0)
- Oh I will! But I will have the Holy Water and the Crucifix standing by...nt... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:10:32 04/29/04 (2)
- My favorite Catholic Joke: - John Marks 16:07:10 04/29/04 (1)
- Horrible. My Holy water is boiling.....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:19:30 04/29/04 (0)
- Bunch of Conspiracy Theorists with too much time on their hands and misguided axes to grind....;-)....nt - Ian Mackenzie 12:06:35 04/29/04 (15)
- Your observation/comprehension skills need a little exercise...;-). - Hafdef 12:34:02 04/29/04 (1)
- So does your perspective and sense of humor....nt - Ian Mackenzie 14:02:01 04/29/04 (1)
- Has anyone ever noticed.... - Phil Tower 12:20:11 04/29/04 (11)
- Hey Phil, - Sordidman 15:05:54 04/29/04 (6)
- Re: Hey Phil, - Phil Tower 18:25:29 04/29/04 (5)
- Good Example.....TG Audio.. - Ian Mackenzie 19:09:58 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: Good Example.....TG Audio.. - Phil Tower 19:40:53 04/29/04 (3)
- Re: Good Example.....TG Audio.. - Sean 20:26:13 04/29/04 (2)
- Re: Good Example.....TG Audio.. - Phil Tower 07:27:11 04/30/04 (1)
- Re: Good Example.....TG Audio.. - Jack Gribble 10:42:58 04/30/04 (0)
- Well, yes, I can think of many more trite things to say..... - Ian Mackenzie 12:53:23 04/29/04 (3)
- Re: Well, yes, I can think of many more trite things to say..... - Steve Eddy 13:03:43 04/29/04 (0)
- Perhaps because the difference is that the - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:03:41 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Well, yes, I can think of many more trite things to say..... - Phil Tower 13:03:31 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Bunch of Conspiracy Theorists with too much time on their hands and misguided axes to grind....;-)....nt - Phil Tower 12:11:48 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - Phil Tower 12:00:45 04/29/04 (20)
- Absolutely. JPS is taking advantage of their customers' lack of knowledge.... - Dalton 12:23:11 04/29/04 (19)
- funny thing is - Bruce from DC 13:35:08 04/29/04 (14)
- Re: funny thing is - Phil Tower 17:20:58 04/29/04 (0)
- "cost-based pricing model" - Robert H. 15:22:48 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: "cost-based pricing model" - elmuncy@yahoo.com 08:27:39 04/30/04 (1)
- the review... - Jack Gribble 10:56:21 04/30/04 (0)
- Now now, the label probably was made in Italy. - chris_w 01:26:51 04/30/04 (0)
- just so, Robert. - Bruce from DC 15:40:02 04/29/04 (0)
- More red herrings - Steve Eddy 14:11:30 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: More red herrings - Bruce from DC 14:53:57 04/29/04 (2)
- Re: More red herrings - Steve Eddy 15:37:16 04/29/04 (0)
- The question is, now that we know what that particular JPS cable... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 15:00:06 04/29/04 (0)
- I WAS concerned about the price... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:22:01 04/29/04 (0)
- Hmmm....wonder if the filter arrangement was why I was getting less - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:42:25 04/29/04 (2)
- Re: Hmmm....wonder if the filter arrangement was why I was getting less - Bruce from DC 14:55:56 04/29/04 (1)
- No...it appears to be single-ended....but...interactions abound..nt. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 15:01:05 04/29/04 (0)
- All correct.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:45:12 04/29/04 (2)
- Re: All correct.... - marc g. 13:06:21 04/29/04 (1)
- There's no more shit left to kick out..:-) - Audio Pharaoh 15:54:21 04/29/04 (0)
- Great post. That's exactly how I see it (nt) - Dave Kingsland 12:40:22 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - Paul L 11:57:41 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - Chris R 14:11:25 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - Phil Tower 12:24:33 04/29/04 (0)
- Business law and ethics. - Hafdef 12:13:49 04/29/04 (0)
- If it was ONLY three times I wouldn't have bitched.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:07:20 04/29/04 (0)
- You are using too large a paintbrush - jneutron 11:55:44 04/29/04 (17)
- At least get your math right! - Rod M 12:13:09 04/29/04 (16)
- Re: At least get your math right! - Ivan303 21:03:51 04/29/04 (4)
- either way ... - garth 01:51:01 04/30/04 (1)
- Re: either way ... - Ivan303 07:57:51 04/30/04 (0)
- Re: At least get your math right! - Steve Eddy 21:26:10 04/29/04 (1)
- Sorry Steve... - Ivan303 06:38:46 04/30/04 (0)
- "JPS asserts that they spec the cable and that it is NOT a stock cable. It is manufactured per their spec. " - Dalton 13:28:06 04/29/04 (1)
- OH YEAH? GET YOURS! - clarkjohnsen 12:52:28 04/29/04 (2)
- $40? - garth 01:54:37 04/30/04 (0)
- (I mistook the list price, but the argument stands. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:54:02 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Phono cartridges - Dave Kingsland 12:37:30 04/29/04 (1)
- Milking? Horrible mental image there; inasmuch as most of the posters are.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:49:49 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: At least get your math right! - jneutron 12:33:38 04/29/04 (3)
- Re: At least get your math right! - Rod M 13:18:03 04/29/04 (2)
- One of us has completely missed the point. - Rick W 16:05:42 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: At least get your math right! - jneutron 13:30:58 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: At least get your math right! - Phil Tower 12:29:30 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - Steve Eddy 11:45:46 04/29/04 (8)
- There is a procedure for handling the situation. - tkheem 19:38:05 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: There is a procedure for handling the situation. - Steve Eddy 20:56:08 04/29/04 (3)
- I knew you would pull this trick sooner or later. - tkheem 18:15:40 04/30/04 (2)
- Re: I knew you would pull this trick sooner or later. - sjb 23:11:19 05/1/04 (1)
- I didn't feel it was necessary, but if you feel it's important... - tkheem 12:41:57 05/2/04 (0)
- I'd re-package the paint again, mark it at $300/gal. - Payne Hertz 13:38:35 04/29/04 (1)
- Damn! You made me snort coffee out my nose.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:46:52 04/29/04 (0)
- I hate you, Steve.. - jneutron 11:57:40 04/29/04 (0)
- Well said Kevin.... - Audio Pharaoh 11:33:22 04/29/04 (23)
- huh? - Jack Gribble 15:52:31 04/29/04 (4)
- That means.... - Audio Pharaoh 16:05:08 04/29/04 (3)
- Audio Pharaoh and rp1... - Jack Gribble 16:15:21 04/29/04 (2)
- Ok..sounds good !! - Audio Pharaoh 16:41:44 04/29/04 (0)
- It would be a blast.....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:21:45 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Well said Kevin.... - Phil Tower 12:09:23 04/29/04 (8)
- Phil, - Audio Pharaoh 13:04:18 04/29/04 (7)
- Re: Phil, - Phil Tower 13:16:44 04/29/04 (0)
- Unfortunately, until we get some Eupin we don't know...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:07:02 04/29/04 (5)
- Haven't got any? Look, my friends. I happen to know that this is the "Eupin" express. - axolotl 15:39:41 04/29/04 (0)
- Exactly... - Audio Pharaoh 13:10:15 04/29/04 (3)
- But when the numbers match... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:14:31 04/29/04 (2)
- Re: But when the numbers match... - Steve Eddy 13:45:59 04/29/04 (1)
- Then again, who is able to tell the difference? nt.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:00:37 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Well said Kevin.... - Hafdef 12:00:58 04/29/04 (8)
- The issue as I see it... - Audio Pharaoh 12:58:35 04/29/04 (7)
- Re: The issue as I see it... - Hafdef 04/29/0415:19:49 04/29/04 (5)
- Agreed.......however - Audio Pharaoh 16:12:25 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: Agreed.......however - Hafdef 17:53:47 04/29/04 (3)
- I am amazed that the same folk that don't believe.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:33:10 04/29/04 (2)
- I stated my opinions very clearly on that subject...& a further example in the Cable Industry.. - Audio Pharaoh 13:23:06 04/30/04 (1)
- I didn't have a problem with folk wanting to do a listening - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:31:03 04/30/04 (0)
- Agreed. I don't think any of the rises to the level of a "consumer revolt".... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:11:30 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: What's REALLY going on here? - ErYAG 11:17:25 04/29/04 (1)
- outdoor extension cord - Jack Gribble 11:25:08 04/29/04 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: The issue as I see it... - Hafdef 04/29/0415:19:49 04/29/04 (5)
- Agreed.......however - Audio Pharaoh 16:12:25 04/29/04 (4)
- Re: Agreed.......however - Hafdef 17:53:47 04/29/04 (3)
- I am amazed that the same folk that don't believe.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:33:10 04/29/04 (2)
- I stated my opinions very clearly on that subject...& a further example in the Cable Industry.. - Audio Pharaoh 13:23:06 04/30/04 (1)
- I didn't have a problem with folk wanting to do a listening - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:31:03 04/30/04 (0)
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