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In Reply to: final posted by J.D. on June 26, 2005 at 19:04:52:
Gee, still don't get the reference to Stravarius yet, after ALL those explanations, AND the explanation which was actually included in the original posting you pathetically tried to cook up a charge on, in case someone could possibly be dumb enough not to get it?! I could be charitable and try to explain it yet again, but there are limits. Now I am going to write something with some big and not so common words, so please try to follow.Get over it, O mentally- and psychologically-unbalanced One: I can be as grandiose as I like about the Lencos because no matter how great my claims, the Lencos in fact live up to it, to your endless irritation and consequently my own endless amusement! Unlike you, I am no idiot, and wouldn't stick my neck out unless I was backing the right horse. And like it or not, flamboyance in writing (as opposed to the stale droning of your own posts) does get results: it stimulates discussion, provokes thought (something admittedly alien to you), and yes also sometimes causes arguments and fights. Controversy stimulates interest too. Just look at the multiplication of Lenco postings and Lenco websites, none of which I started, on this very forum as well (picture puffing red-faced mediocrity turning green with envy)! This is called "style" as it applies to writing, which you'll find in the dictionary between "R" and "T". In case you didn't get it (oops, forgot your mental limitations). I use the Lencos to promote idler-wheel drive technology as I've made clear countless times (from original post: "With idler-wheel 'tables this is a much larger problem than with belt-drives, due to their big manly Mighty Motors, which have much more power than the cute little motors which come on belt-drives") because they're cheap and so encourage many to give it a fair trial (or didn't you catch my reference to the Rek-o-Kut idler-wheel drive as well....oops forgot your problem with reading), something you evidently cannot comprehend. But I also intended to right a wrong: the dogma due to pompous and envious self-appointed protectors of the status quo like yourself (the most common type of Toady in existence, fellows who dog and hinder progress in all kinds of ways), which existed that idler-wheel 'tables were the bottom of the heap, and the Lencos were the bottom of THAT heap. Now that's done and the Lenco is recognized and more and more are joining in the idler-wheel fun partly because controversy stimulated investigation by fair-minded folk with a yen to know the truth (see, this goes back to stimulating interest by generating controversy, a very difficult concept for someone of your evidently limited intellect).
Now I notice you too now have an idler-wheel drive, though you went for the status-oriented Garrard and can now toady up to various other Garrard-owners and the author of the 6moons article (which mentioned Lencos and the "underground", this must have had your teeth grinding, LOL!): pretty pathetic. I wonder how much of your attacks on me and Lencos in general are in fact due more to the perceived threat to your status/Garrard-ownership as the Lenco continues to make conquests, and yes, is often reported by those who own both (this would count as evidence to someone not as mentally challenged and biased as yourself) to be superior to it! Here's a quote just for you, and I admit to enjoying presenting you with it especially: "garrard 401 v lenco - round 2.. Ye gods i wasn't wrong. Very interesting, will and 4anx. Another night of first the garrard then the lenco on the ol silver and denon 301. While i can see why people like the garrard's musicality(david price in this months hi fi world magazine said a 301 easily beat his fave £2,000 Michell Orbe)i can safely say that the lenco is creaming this garrard 401 for slam, prat, presence, detailed transients, musicality, bass and organicness of the music. These traits were all pretty much there during my unmodded lenco listening, by the way, so i'm interested in Jean's standard lenco experiment. also, with the garrards platter mat on my glued on lenco mat, the imaging falls into place on the lenco, meeting the garrard's. This is very exciting, as the ol silver is very bum up on the lenco, and i did it to see what a bum less up does. this suggests that when i swap the pine armboard for a thinner hardwood one, the lencos fine detail retreival and imaging will improve further. amazing. To all ol silver buyers, i found setting the cartridge took my cartridge clips close to the arm, touching it in fact. so care required i think. one more question.. the twl hi fi tweak, anyone got a link handy? so to all you googling garrard 401 owners out there... be afraid... be very afraid.... grrr."
Oh, why be churlish, here's round one from the same fellow, just to show the lengths the fellow went to for a fair trial and fair and accurate reporting, something again alien to your blind prejudice and petty hatreds: "garrard 401 v. lenco - round 1. well aren't i getting post happy.. this time its a garrard 401 i couldn't resist today for £120. came from a local elderly gentleman of longstanding audio heritage who auditioned it for me through a wonderful old fisher valve receiver, with his ol silver tonearm and ortofon very expensive mc and kef 104/2's. Years of fiddling and synergy in this system was stunning, with tingles going down my spine and the widest deepest soundstage i've yet heard, and the feeling i get in the best headphones of the music washing through and around me... all in a tiny room. He'd modded the 401 significantly, with a heavy hollow plinth with large bits of lead in it and dynamat everywhere, and huge globs of plasticine around bearing and arm base underneath! Anyway 401 and me go home with michell record clamp (essential, he says), stylus alignment card, shure tracking force scales, 60 immaculate records and a lesson in arm cartridge setup. So you know what i've done this evening... a-b'd my lenco and the 401. hah. Well, firstly setting silver arm and denon 301 cart on the lenco correctly was a massive improvement. no more distortion, imaging excellent, sharp transients, more detail, and more swing and musicality.. bliss. Then the michell record clamp, which killed the lenco's wonderful slam and prat for only a slight gain in sharpness and imaging. Off with it ye gads! Then to the 401. Early days at this, so silver arm is a bit butt-up on the lenco and level on the garrard, and tightness of the arm base nut (which ol say is critical to performance) was not played with at all. For the garrard the clamp proved to be, as previous owner stated, essential . Without it the music got 'big' on the 401, and it lost control and the music blurred with none of the lenco's prat and slam. With the clamp the garrard recovered, and engaged with the music rather like the lenco with the clamp, which was very nice and accurate and musical, but without that extra bit of magic of the unclamped lenco. This kind of tallies with the 401's sound on the previous owner's system, which while wonderful, was very accurate without slam and prat, and the overall amazing magic owed much to the fisher and the kefs (he got it through his cd player too!!}. what this immediately suggests is that the lenco without the clamp wins round one. The two decks are quite similar in their delivery, with the lenco providing more slam, more wonderful beguiling bass, more prat, and more control over the amazing transients that it brings forth. End of round one. Please be prepared for anything in round two, as you may have guessed i'm new to this, and becoming more and more aware of the time needed to get arms set up right, and the need to try different arms and cartridges. Unfortunately the 401 is a bugger to change arms on.. "
Now I don't want to enter into a war between the Lenco-lovers and the Garrard-owners, as I simply want idler-wheel drives to be taken seriously enough to be manufactured and sold at not-ridiculous prices, and yes, to advance the state of the art. As part and parcel of this I also recommend experimenting with Garrard SP25s, Zero-100s, Rek-o-Kuts, Elacs, in fact any idler-wheel drive. But go ahead, Dunce-Boy, discredit yourself some more and attack this report of the comparison between the Lenco and the Garrard by resorting to that stale old "subjective" reporting thing, or perhaps the "he doesn't know what he's doing thing", or some other device regularly peddled out by unimaginative wannabees like yourself. Enjoy your Garrard, Toady and Hopeful of Status, value against the Lenco is going down, down down....
Note to any others who may be reading this (just in case), I do not want to pronounce against the Garrards and have no interest myself in touting one 'table over the other (except insofar as truth and testing reveals: if the Lenco system is indeed superior, then I would want any new idler-wheel drive to adopt the Lenco system, if not, then another), what I mean by value of Garrard against Lencos is that the value of Lencos is going slowly but steadily up, which means the Garrards' relative value against the Lenco is going down: instead of ten times the price, they are now on average four times the price (or something along those lines) not counting the complicated and expensive rebuilding required. And I admit to the entertainment value of goading this envious mental midget with jibes ;-), my bad. This might be upsetting to status-seekers, but to those who simply want good sound and saw the big Garrards as a way of getting there (and thus I applaud your choice) this is not a problem. Anyone want to take up the Lenco challenge, you'll find me very approachable, and I even have a collection of belt-drives which I love and I regularly adjust them for friends! It's just that I truly believe idler-wheel drives are the superior technology in spinning vinyl: this is called an Ideal, and I’m an Ideal-ist, which explains my stand against fellows like this and others like him who have come against me to uphold the status-quo. Fellows like this obsessive help keep prices relatively low, so far, so don't dawdle!
Now I truly do hope that was your last post as promised, this endless demonstration of your envy, mental shortcomings and prejudice is getting downright weird, as I've crossed your type before on this forum and others and watched the bushes in my area with some apprehension. The Dark Side of the internet.
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Follow Ups
- Tiresome Toadies - melomane 06/27/0517:36:14 06/27/05 (2)
- followup post disables 'delete'...... Welcome To Archives. .................... nt - J.D. 19:05:07 06/27/05 (1)
- What happened to final? - melomane 20:55:25 06/27/05 (0)
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