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In Reply to: Re: No it's not! posted by Bry on August 13, 2005 at 11:34:22:
2.0000454545 is right! But note 4 zeros not 5 as in .000001. And interestingly enough if you take .000045454545 and invert it you get 22000!> > 2 alternating values must produce a 22KHz wave.
No way - they won't be alternating if there's exactly 2! If both samples occur at the orgin (sampling in phase) the results will be a single line at the orgin - if the 2 samples are taken out of phase with the waveform they will occur at exactly the same points on the wave and produce two flat lines on the scope.
> > What you would get is a 22KHz wave that fades in and out.
Nope - you'll get 22000 sine waves occuring in one second.Nyquist isn't directly intuitive but it really does work. What we need to remember is we are storing time domain signals in a digital format. There's absolutely no reason to conclude that looking at an analog output at an instant of time reveals anything about the content of the signal except it's amplitude - there is no frequency information until one considers the signal over time - and the same is true for the digital storage medium.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - StylinLP 14:55:17 08/12/05 (153)
- So you can't simply hear differences and thereby decide? - paul_s 13:14:34 08/14/05 (0)
- Why would you want to talk to people who have no idea what vinyl is?! (nt) - Langdell 11:16:01 08/14/05 (2)
- Re: Why would you want to talk to people who have no idea what vinyl is?! (nt) - StylinLP 12:38:06 08/14/05 (1)
- I understand completely... - Bry 13:24:00 08/14/05 (0)
- There you have it! Was that concise enough? - hukkfinn 11:46:15 08/13/05 (2)
- Auuuuuurg!!!!!! Now I have a blank stare *grin* - StylinLP 11:15:47 08/14/05 (1)
- At least your plan B was to get drunk! :) (nt) - Bry 11:20:52 08/14/05 (0)
- Why? - Don T 10:23:29 08/13/05 (4)
- What is a "pre Redbook" CD? - garth 11:02:57 08/13/05 (3)
- I don't know if there were pre redbook CDs but there were pre Redbook Cds vinyl! - Don T 21:39:22 08/13/05 (1)
- You mean preCD digitally recorded LPs? Why ... - garth 09:24:05 08/14/05 (0)
- Redbook the magazine? :) (nt) - Bry 11:13:40 08/13/05 (0)
- KT88 gave you the answer - mt10425 04:36:17 08/13/05 (0)
- Really hard to get through the whole thread, but simply ..... Analog is music. Digital is sound. - Elmo 01:53:20 08/13/05 (0)
- Regardless of Equipment? Not Really.... - Todd Krieger 00:42:47 08/13/05 (4)
- My experience... - Bry 10:35:28 08/13/05 (3)
- Re: My experience... - Todd Krieger 12:18:59 08/13/05 (2)
- Re: My experience... - Bry 12:34:36 08/13/05 (1)
- Re: My experience... - Todd Krieger 14:12:56 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: The only way you will convince your friends id to have them over to hear you vinyl rig. - SirAnthony 00:21:43 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - RGA 00:01:00 08/13/05 (0)
- No - JeffH 22:18:24 08/12/05 (0)
- who would win in a fight? (it would be a LONG fight) - stark 20:58:18 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - MusicHead 2 20:35:58 08/12/05 (0)
- RThere are very definite objective and quantitative reasons - Pauly 19:20:34 08/12/05 (0)
- I think it's funny... - Bry 19:01:44 08/12/05 (16)
- These guys listen to alot of new music-Thats the problem - StylinLP 20:06:43 08/12/05 (1)
- In this case, my point is.... - Peter Olofsson 03:40:09 08/13/05 (0)
- Speak for yourself - Pauly 19:25:00 08/12/05 (0)
- Victim of circumstance. There are few if any recordings being made that originate as analog. CD's now sound decent and.. - Ray-o-Stat 19:23:24 08/12/05 (9)
- I never said I was a victim of circumstance. - hukkfinn 08:08:02 08/14/05 (0)
- Records are regaining... - Bry 19:43:56 08/12/05 (7)
- Yeah but the quality isn't there... - Ray-o-Stat 20:01:17 08/12/05 (6)
- True....but.... - MattC 07:01:33 08/13/05 (3)
- but.... - Tetrack 10:59:44 08/13/05 (0)
- Yeah. That's the point I was trying to make in another post below regarding "potential". nt - Ray-o-Stat 07:46:48 08/13/05 (1)
- Re: Yeah. That's the point I was trying to make in another post below regarding "potential". nt - StylinLP 12:40:46 08/14/05 (0)
- Not always true - some artists still insist on - kavakidd 20:15:38 08/12/05 (0)
- True, there are exceptions, but then the quality of the pressings becomes a concern; in this forum, I have noted that... - Ray-o-Stat 08:03:08 08/13/05 (0)
- I'm not so sure. - Bry 20:13:54 08/12/05 (0)
- Makes you kind of wonder, doesn't it??? (nt) - John Elison 19:08:58 08/12/05 (2)
- So, should StylinLP just tell his friends he's insane? (nt) - Bry 20:00:11 08/12/05 (1)
- Well, when he spends this much time in an asylum, it might be the most logical thing to do. :) (nt) - John Elison 20:14:39 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - magnetoman_2000 18:35:46 08/12/05 (1)
- I already answered this question *nt* - StylinLP 20:00:38 08/12/05 (0)
- I think you have missed the point of the debate... - Ray-o-Stat 18:08:48 08/12/05 (3)
- Re: I think you have missed the point of the debate... - StylinLP 19:59:05 08/12/05 (2)
- Re: I think you have missed the point of the debate... - Ray-o-Stat 20:11:25 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: I think you have missed the point of the debate... - Bry 20:04:40 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - dBoon 18:01:07 08/12/05 (6)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - John Elison 18:34:47 08/12/05 (5)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - Fretless 18:52:23 08/12/05 (1)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - John Elison 18:55:19 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - Bry 18:51:54 08/12/05 (2)
- I got rid of my two Dragons when I discovered DAT. :) (nt) - John Elison 18:56:36 08/12/05 (1)
- I can't remember the last time I used my cassette deck. :) (nt) - Bry 19:55:56 08/12/05 (0)
- brick walls, stochastic resonance…(long) - nosmok 17:28:06 08/12/05 (1)
- Impressive. You've touched some of the subjects I've heard - StylinLP 17:43:37 08/12/05 (0)
- "ilike what I like" "I live music" "I am in my happy place" "makes me feel good" "sounds like real music& - LesF 17:23:17 08/12/05 (7)
- Re: "ilike what I like" "I live music" "I am in my happy place" "makes me feel good" "sounds like real mu - Bry 17:31:53 08/12/05 (6)
- Those are all good reasons to like vinyl - LesF 17:52:41 08/12/05 (5)
- Spot on Les - Pauly 19:37:21 08/12/05 (4)
- Re: Spot on Les - LesF 21:07:16 08/14/05 (0)
- Re: Spot on Les - John Elison 19:45:20 08/12/05 (2)
- I flip LP's real fast John ;-) - Pauly 20:15:18 08/12/05 (1)
- You could put on 2 at once. ;) (nt) - Bry 20:20:48 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - mothra 16:31:06 08/12/05 (6)
- I allways make the mistake of starting a conversation unprepared - StylinLP 16:40:32 08/12/05 (5)
- Re: I allways make the mistake of starting a conversation unprepared - John Elison 17:04:06 08/12/05 (4)
- Re: I allways make the mistake of starting a conversation unprepared - Bry 17:12:03 08/12/05 (3)
- Re: I allways make the mistake of starting a conversation unprepared - John Elison 17:17:53 08/12/05 (2)
- Vinyl vs CD is all that most consumers understand - StylinLP 17:21:14 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: I allways make the mistake of starting a conversation unprepared - Bry 17:19:59 08/12/05 (0)
- To me, the problem is.... - Peter Olofsson 16:08:39 08/12/05 (5)
- Re: To me, the problem is.... - Bry 16:31:29 08/12/05 (4)
- Re: To me, the problem is.... - RobertB53 07:08:41 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: To me, the problem is.... - Peter Olofsson 17:19:59 08/12/05 (2)
- Re: To me, the problem is.... - Bry 17:22:45 08/12/05 (1)
- Re: To me, the problem is.... - Peter Olofsson 17:40:21 08/12/05 (0)
- Alright. Let me rephrase this question then - StylinLP 15:58:47 08/12/05 (10)
- Re: Alright. Let me rephrase this question then - Bry 16:23:12 08/12/05 (9)
- IMHO, the spec argument, misses the mark entirely... - Ray-o-Stat 19:16:46 08/12/05 (4)
- Re: IMHO, the spec argument, misses the mark entirely... - nosmok 15:37:38 08/13/05 (0)
- New music - StylinLP 19:43:11 08/12/05 (0)
- What mark are you shooting for???? - John Elison 19:31:31 08/12/05 (1)
- Re: What mark are you shooting for???? - Ray-o-Stat 19:39:16 08/12/05 (0)
- Thank you Bry - StylinLP 16:48:18 08/12/05 (3)
- Re: Thank you Bry - Bry 16:55:01 08/12/05 (2)
- #3 always impresses me too. (nt) - srdavis2000 18:55:09 08/12/05 (0)
- Still considered? - StylinLP 17:00:45 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - Bry 15:51:52 08/12/05 (45)
- Sorry but this is wrong! - Don T 16:20:09 08/12/05 (44)
- Actually, Bry Is Correct!! - Todd Krieger 23:55:13 08/12/05 (1)
- Re: Correct, but... - Peter Olofsson 02:59:36 08/13/05 (1)
- Re: Sorry but this is wrong! - John Elison 16:30:07 08/12/05 (5)
- Re: Sorry but this is wrong! - Don T 09:40:57 08/13/05 (4)
- Re: Sorry but this is wrong! - John Elison 14:30:21 08/13/05 (3)
- Re: Sorry but this is wrong! - Don T 18:21:24 08/13/05 (2)
- You're right.... - John Elison 19:09:54 08/13/05 (1)
- No you're right.... - Don T 19:34:16 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: Sorry but this is wrong! - Bry 16:28:49 08/12/05 (35)
- The Nyquist theorem only works for sine waves? (nt) - Peter Olofsson 16:48:22 08/12/05 (34)
- Re: The Nyquist theorem only works for sine waves? (nt) - Todd Krieger 23:59:12 08/12/05 (0)
- So what? - Don T 18:21:32 08/12/05 (4)
- Re: So what? - Todd Krieger 00:04:09 08/13/05 (3)
- Re: So what? - Don T 08:44:01 08/13/05 (2)
- Re: So what? - Todd Krieger 22:14:34 08/13/05 (1)
- Re: So what? - Don T 07:35:41 08/14/05 (0)
- Isn't it wonderful that the most complex musical waveform can be recreated perfectly using only sine waves. (nt) - John Elison 17:12:31 08/12/05 (16)
- Re: Isn't it wonderful... - Bry 17:49:18 08/12/05 (15)
- I am trying - StylinLP 19:36:10 08/12/05 (1)
- It's not like vinyl lps extended to 20 kHz either! - Don T 09:20:01 08/13/05 (0)
- On Nyquist... - Peter Olofsson 18:01:34 08/12/05 (12)
- Nope... - Don T 18:20:08 08/12/05 (11)
- Nope? - Peter Olofsson 18:39:54 08/12/05 (10)
- more than two can be less than 3. - Don T 09:06:33 08/13/05 (9)
- Being close to 2 is very bad. - Bry 10:25:17 08/13/05 (7)
- No it's not! - Don T 11:22:28 08/13/05 (6)
- An example... - Bry 12:25:35 08/13/05 (3)
- Re: An example... - Don T 19:04:26 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: An example... - John Elison 18:06:15 08/13/05 (1)
- Re: An example... - Bry 18:27:45 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: No it's not! - Bry 11:34:22 08/13/05 (1)
- Re: No it's not! - Don T 08/13/0518:47:12 08/13/05 (0)
- OK, my mistake (nt) - Peter Olofsson 10:01:00 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: The Nyquist theorem only works for sine waves? (nt) - Bry 17:09:22 08/12/05 (10)
- Re: The Nyquist theorem only works for sine waves? (nt) - Peter Olofsson 17:32:39 08/12/05 (9)
- Re: The Nyquist theorem only works for sine waves? (nt) - Bry 19:52:53 08/12/05 (8)
- Re: The Nyquist theorem only works for sine waves? (nt) - John Elison 20:09:24 08/12/05 (7)
- Re: Many thanks..... - Peter Olofsson 10:30:39 08/13/05 (5)
- You're welcome.... - John Elison 14:50:39 08/13/05 (4)
- Re: You're welcome.... - Peter Olofsson 18:46:21 08/13/05 (3)
- Re: You're welcome.... - John Elison 20:30:42 08/13/05 (1)
- Thanks again... - Peter Olofsson 03:58:49 08/14/05 (0)
- Re: You're welcome.... - Bry 19:09:55 08/13/05 (0)
- Looks better than most early CD players. :) (nt) - Bry 20:19:55 08/12/05 (0)
- No - KT88 15:38:20 08/12/05 (1)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - John Elison 15:18:28 08/12/05 (16)
- What you listen for - paul_s 12:58:36 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - KT88 15:24:00 08/12/05 (14)
- One sided - StylinLP 16:45:51 08/12/05 (10)
- Well, I suppose one could argue or one could simply listen to what they like - KT88 18:19:35 08/12/05 (1)
- It's easy ... - garth 18:03:20 08/12/05 (8)
- I really get a kick out of you Garth. Are you for real or are you just kidding all the time? :) (nt) - John Elison 18:18:43 08/12/05 (7)
- John, that IS the difference. Nothing more nothing less. Or? :-) [nt - garth 18:52:46 08/12/05 (0)
- How many here take themselves WAY too seriously? - garth 18:37:07 08/12/05 (5)
- You've definitely got a point. :) (nt) - John Elison 18:45:55 08/12/05 (0)
- Re: How many here take themselves WAY too seriously? - srdavis2000 18:44:52 08/12/05 (3)
- What exactly is posturing? (nt) - John Elison 18:46:59 08/12/05 (2)
- See post time 17:04:06 above. (nt) - srdavis2000 19:04:54 08/12/05 (1)
- Bingo! nt - Stephen Murphy 22:21:10 08/13/05 (0)
- Bravo! Clap Clap!!!! - garth 15:40:05 08/12/05 (1)
- What is "audible" vs. what is noted - paul_s 12:24:37 08/13/05 (0)
- Re: Could I get a concise complete rundown on vinyl/analog superiority reguardless of equipment? - mosin 15:25:50 08/12/05 (0)
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- Re: No it's not! - Don T 08/13/0518:47:12 08/13/05 (0)
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