If Technics called it the SL-12000 sold it for 12,000 dollars, it would "sound" alot better.

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Topic - Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - rebop 15:18:30 04/24/11 (143)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - Munkie_NL 01:58:53 04/28/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - Jack D II 14:11:00 04/27/11 (1)

I wonder if this would this also apply to the simple looking AR-XA? - hiatt@alaska.net 14:38:10 04/27/11 (0)

A real study of the "Technics Fanatic" needs to be done. Amazing tenacity and unbridled willingness to spout - Elizabeth 14:02:10 04/27/11 (1)

Now that you have filled up my rubbish can, I need to go empty it. - hiatt@alaska.net 14:42:54 04/27/11 (0)

I suspect Fremer might be chuckling somewhere... - JBC 14:30:09 04/26/11 (0)

Thanks for posting. - hukkfinn 10:33:29 04/26/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - joey1127 10:25:00 04/26/11 (0)

Fremer Sucks! - Scott Woebcke 23:14:19 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - AnalogKat 21:24:54 04/25/11 (0)

Fremer is an idiot. The truth lies here... - joeljoel1947 18:02:18 04/25/11 (6)

OTOH.... - mikel 21:27:04 04/26/11 (4)

Interesting... - genungo 08:49:13 04/27/11 (3)

everything matters. - mikel 22:03:46 04/27/11 (1)

Have you listened to the Grand Prix Audio Monaco yet? - genungo 11:28:57 04/28/11 (0)

RE: Have you listened to the Grand Prix Audio Monaco yet? - mikel 16:28:01 04/28/11 (0)

Based on the naming conventions... - travisty 09:01:17 04/27/11 (0)

I don't think Fremer is an idiot. I think he is great for vinyl. - tubesforever 19:15:54 04/25/11 (0)

HAHAHAHA !!! As intended -- - Amphissa 15:17:38 04/25/11 (0)

he waited 'til it was gone to trash it . . . - dean_martin 15:12:48 04/25/11 (0)

Ultimate audio? - Muzikmike 14:54:36 04/25/11 (0)

Now if MF liked the 1200.... - Mister Pig 14:47:34 04/25/11 (2)

LOL. How true. nt - Rick W 09:36:17 04/26/11 (0)

RE: Now if MF liked the 1200.... - Bry 15:06:44 04/25/11 (0)

audio snobbery clouds all his conclusions - danj 12:16:01 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - l1945@sbcglobal.net 11:07:53 04/25/11 (2)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - wirewizard 14:50:38 04/25/11 (0)

Technics SL-1200 - Jagdeep 11:34:47 04/25/11 (0)

Professional Standards - briggs 10:01:16 04/25/11 (1)

RE: Professional Standards - michaelhigh 11:18:21 04/25/11 (0)

The key statement in Fremer's article is.... - Ripple 09:51:17 04/25/11 (0)

If Technics called it the SL-12000 sold it for 12,000 dollars, it would "sound" alot better. - Enophile 04/25/1109:09:09 04/25/11 (3)

Or . . . if Technics still produced the SL-1200 AND advertised in Stereophile . . . /nt\ - Opus 104 12:36:16 04/25/11 (1)

yeah, Fremmer would no doubt sing a different tune if musical fidelity sold the same design - texanater 06:10:23 04/28/11 (0)

GOOD ONE!! NT - tesla 10:22:44 04/25/11 (0)

A perfect example - rbolaw 08:13:03 04/25/11 (1)

0kay then...., - ampreometric 08:16:44 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - FSonicSmith 07:03:12 04/25/11 (2)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - rebop 08:20:25 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - volunteer 07:59:05 04/25/11 (0)

Oh my God! - JimK 07:03:01 04/25/11 (5)

Problem solved: Just read Art Dudley. - Enophile 11:03:01 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Oh my God! - Fred J 07:47:56 04/25/11 (3)

Bah! That's pure dreck for the "proles", Ferd. - JimK 07:51:00 04/25/11 (2)

Here's a suggestion... - J. S. Bach 10:04:06 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Bah! That's pure dreck for the "proles", Ferd. - Fred J 08:48:18 04/25/11 (0)

I was one of the original subscribers to Stereophile... - EdAInWestOC 06:25:54 04/25/11 (3)

IMHO, Stereophile died in 1982 when JGH sold it. /nt\ - Opus 104 06:30:55 04/25/11 (2)

It changed...thats for sure - EdAInWestOC 06:25:09 04/26/11 (1)

JGH and Tom Norton were my faves. /nt\ - Opus 104 10:40:45 04/26/11 (0)

The analog quartz lock on an SL 1200 is equivalent to the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor? - tubesforever 00:20:41 04/25/11 (23)

RE: The analog quartz lock on an SL 1200 is equivalent to the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor? - Mel 14:58:44 04/25/11 (3)

The fundamental feedback system is exactly the same. - tubesforever 19:39:47 04/25/11 (2)

RE: The fundamental feedback system is exactly the same. - Mel 06:19:04 04/26/11 (1)

I am not trying to be annoying - tubesforever 13:38:41 04/26/11 (0)

RE: The analog quartz lock on an SL 1200 is equivalent to the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor? - AlbumAddictED 06:10:22 04/25/11 (0)

RE: The analog quartz lock on an SL 1200 is equivalent to the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor? - Dave Garretson 05:10:46 04/25/11 (5)

RE: The analog quartz lock on an SL 1200 is equivalent to the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor? - rebop 06:00:52 04/25/11 (4)

Fremer and the larger problem - Dave Garretson 07:11:46 04/25/11 (3)

RE: Fremer and the larger problem - rebop 08:09:12 04/25/11 (1)

RE: Fremer and the larger problem - Dave Garretson 08:59:05 04/25/11 (0)

The problem of asking media to examine the details of anything... - travisty 07:47:52 04/25/11 (0)

Sic 'em Rex, Ohhh I mean Jim - barhead 04:42:14 04/25/11 (0)

But tubesy... - travisty 04:24:47 04/25/11 (5)

I think your DP 100 is a killer rig. - tubesforever 19:52:28 04/25/11 (3)

I don't know what to believe about Denon motor roots... - travisty 03:26:39 04/26/11 (2)

Matsushita created a special products group which went on to create the SP turntables and SP-02 lathe motor. - tubesforever 00:21:31 04/27/11 (1)

Thanks for the color... I remain skeptical that Denon got significant design help from other mfrs... - travisty 05:21:53 04/27/11 (0)

RE: Thanks for the color... I remain skeptical that Denon got significant design help from other mfrs... - caligari 17:16:15 04/28/11 (0)

Thanks! - travisty 00:28:51 04/29/11 (0)

RE: Thanks! - caligari 12:27:38 04/29/11 (0)

Thanks again. There ARE lots of ways to skin a cat. - travisty 14:51:14 04/29/11 (0)

RE: But tubesy... - moffat 12:15:00 04/25/11 (0)

RE: The analog quartz lock on an SL 1200 is equivalent to the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor? - moffat 00:57:37 04/25/11 (4)

RE: The analog quartz lock on an SL 1200 is equivalent to the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor? - gouldglen 04:40:04 04/25/11 (0)

Or has he compared the SP-02 Neumann lathe motor to the SL 1200? - tubesforever 01:35:34 04/25/11 (2)

Correct me if I'm wrong - Bob Rex 04:50:54 04/25/11 (1)

RE: Correct me if I'm wrong - tubesforever 20:08:02 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - Mike27 22:05:27 04/24/11 (0)

Why can't people trust their own ears? Who cares what Paris Hilton thinks? - Don Till 21:56:13 04/24/11 (0)

You Read It Here First - Mel 21:25:10 04/24/11 (2)

Sure. You're the first ... - tweakk 02:33:16 04/25/11 (1)

Hardly, . . . . - Mel 08:01:14 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - Adriel 20:54:31 04/24/11 (1)

They can both be right. - Bry 04:19:46 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - learsfool 20:47:01 04/24/11 (0)

RE: Wow, flutter and jitter....... - user510 19:56:18 04/24/11 (2)

When it comes to flutter and the SL 1200 - tubesforever 00:52:46 04/25/11 (1)

RE: When it comes to flutter and the SL 1200 - Mel 14:45:24 04/25/11 (0)

Good thing I sold my 1200 M3D( MK2) and am currently using a 1600 MK2... - matt67bianco 19:54:40 04/24/11 (3)

"...hindsight is the cat's meow." I don't know, maybe sometimes the other end of the cat? )MT( - J. S. Bach 20:07:34 04/24/11 (2)

Yup. That,too :) NT - matt67bianco 23:09:38 04/24/11 (1)

BEWARE THE FLATULENT CAT! ... - J. S. Bach 18:42:22 04/25/11 (0)

Actually, one might prefer that "hard, brittle" sound to... - genungo 19:39:01 04/24/11 (0)

Maybe - mark111 19:36:27 04/24/11 (0)

Did they provide any measurements to substantiate his claim of "hunting and pecking"? - darkmoebius 18:05:17 04/24/11 (0)

I'll bet some crystals placed on the thing would fix the problem...nt - tweakk 17:29:52 04/24/11 (1)

Only if they've been cryo'd* - eso 19:38:47 04/24/11 (0)

I just wish... - genungo 17:22:14 04/24/11 (0)

I wouldn't expect anything less of Fremer.... - cactuscowboy@bresnan.net 17:05:19 04/24/11 (4)

It must be very hard to review a $15,000 turntable and keep a straight face. nt - hiatt@alaska.net 17:19:44 04/24/11 (2)

Is keeping a straight face even a priority for him? - musetap 18:42:24 04/24/11 (1)

Ha! :^) nt - hiatt@alaska.net 20:13:05 04/24/11 (0)

AMEN!! - ampreometric 17:14:09 04/24/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - Bry 16:58:29 04/24/11 (3)

Why would changing the frequency... - travisty 21:13:54 04/24/11 (2)

RE: Why would changing the frequency... - Bry 04:26:54 04/25/11 (0)

Perhaps others can correct me if I am wrong. - tubesforever 01:09:47 04/25/11 (0)

Cancel my subscription! Oops... I don't have one.... - olddude55 16:57:59 04/24/11 (2)

He is expressing this is for sure....entertainment value yes - Minussss3db 23:10:12 04/24/11 (0)

RE: Cancel my subscription! Oops... I don't have one.... - volunteer 17:11:03 04/24/11 (0)

not so - ringwear 16:52:21 04/24/11 (0)

That got me thinking about direct drive waveform modification - violinist3 16:51:42 04/24/11 (1)

RE: They kinda do... - Bry 17:01:45 04/24/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - bacobits 16:50:50 04/24/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - Biff 16:49:48 04/24/11 (12)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - painter27 17:12:37 04/24/11 (3)

Yep., hell hath no fury like a scorned Tech. 1200 fan ;-) nt - Rick W 19:19:10 04/24/11 (1)

That's not really what I meant. - Biff 19:28:39 04/24/11 (0)

No kidding - agattu 18:33:48 04/24/11 (0)

Right ... - reelsmith. 17:09:20 04/24/11 (7)

RE: Right ... - esande 17:36:23 04/24/11 (6)

Wrong... - tweakk 17:44:21 04/24/11 (5)

You're all wrong... DIY peanut butter..... - Olde Bulldogge 07:54:33 04/25/11 (3)

LOL!...nt.. - tweakk 14:03:24 04/25/11 (0)

Wrong, wrong, wrong.... - rebop 08:30:14 04/25/11 (1)

Wrongest... - tweakk 14:02:47 04/25/11 (0)

Those PBs are all filled with sugar - elix 17:51:25 04/24/11 (0)

Golden Eared Mikey ... - reelsmith. 15:58:08 04/24/11 (3)

RE: Golden Eared Mikey ... - Fred J 08:39:41 04/25/11 (2)

That's right, remind me that Fremer got me on that one! - Raiderman 08:44:30 04/25/11 (1)

RE: That's right, remind me that Fremer got me on that one! - Fred J 09:06:24 04/25/11 (0)

RE: Fremer Slams Sound of Technics SL-1200 in Latest Stereophile - Double D 15:55:22 04/24/11 (2)

The belt on my Pro-Ject 6.9 bit the dust 1 hour ago, Grrrrrr....nt - tweakk 15:59:50 04/24/11 (1)

RE: The belt on my Pro-Ject 6.9 bit the dust 1 hour ago, Grrrrrr....nt - Double D 16:18:46 04/24/11 (0)

100% theory. 0% proof...nt - tweakk 15:49:15 04/24/11 (1)

RE: 100% theory. 0% proof...nt - volunteer 15:58:44 04/24/11 (0)

Oh God..... - ampreometric 15:28:39 04/24/11 (10)

RE: Oh God..... - majick47 16:41:04 04/24/11 (2)

Yup No speed issues with a pair of SL-1200MK2s, an SL-1600 MK2 - Opus 104 17:16:53 04/24/11 (1)

C'mon, its obvious you don't have golden ears like Fremer does!! - popsy 20:25:56 04/24/11 (0)

Just forwarded it to Kevin Barrett at KAB. - Opus 104 15:41:18 04/24/11 (6)

Kevin is a great Technics supporter! - tubesforever 01:26:59 04/25/11 (5)

It's not that. Few folks outside Japan know more about the SL-12XX tables - Opus 104 05:00:33 04/25/11 (4)

RE: It's not that. Few folks outside Japan know more about the SL-12XX tables - moffat 06:22:49 04/27/11 (2)

Kevin sells some nice stuff... - rebop 11:01:13 04/29/11 (0)

RE: It's not that. Few folks outside Japan know more about the SL-12XX tables - jfine 10:02:46 04/27/11 (1)

May be starting with salad & breadsticks - steal2B 10:27:20 04/27/11 (0)

100% in agreement. Kevin is great. nt - tubesforever 20:12:23 04/25/11 (0)

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If Technics called it the SL-12000 sold it for 12,000 dollars, it would "sound" alot better. - Enophile 04/25/1109:09:09 04/25/11 (3)

Or . . . if Technics still produced the SL-1200 AND advertised in Stereophile . . . /nt\ - Opus 104 12:36:16 04/25/11 (1)

yeah, Fremmer would no doubt sing a different tune if musical fidelity sold the same design - texanater 06:10:23 04/28/11 (0)

GOOD ONE!! NT - tesla 10:22:44 04/25/11 (0)

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