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In Reply to: RE: Distortion specs are only part of the story. posted by johndyson10 on November 21, 2018 at 22:54:01:
I don't think anyone here or in any other forum considers "scientific" evaluations of audio components to be insignificant. What I hope ALL of us here believe is that measurements alone are often not adequate to FULLY evaluate the contribution or detraction that a component can make. Anyone who performs evaluation of audio equipment solely by looking at specifications or any amount or degree of measurement is missing a very big picture.Objectivist engineering types smugly dismiss the concept of detection of faults/attractions by the human ear/brain interface, but that is as myopic and pathetic as the golden-ear who believes specs don't matter at all.
You admit that published measurements are frequently inadequate, misrepresented, or misunderstood, and therefore cannot completely describe the myriad distortions that arise from the simplest signals passing through the most basic devices, yet it only gets more complicated as they become more complex.
It is our contention that even the best equipment used to test audio systems and components is not properly employed or sensitive enough to surpass the equipment we all (okay, most of us) carry around on our neck. That has nothing to do with dishonesty or snake oil, or religion.
Is that human equipment infallible? Of course not, but all we can do is calibrate it with live music and strive to use it as impartially as humans are able. That's not easy to do, and sometimes it does require a bit of faith in one's own and others' perceptions instead of a bunch of numbers generated by a machine.
Peace,
Tom E
berate is 8 and benign is 9
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Follow Ups
- religion is only part of the story. - madisonears 11/23/1822:36:42 11/23/18 (11)
- RE: "published measurements are frequently inadequate, misrepresented, or misunderstood".... - Ivan303 08:49:01 11/24/18 (10)
- what a snotty, uninformative post - madisonears 12:09:44 11/26/18 (4)
- Now Tom, don't get all 'Dusty' on us... - Ivan303 14:28:39 11/26/18 (3)
- It's terrible, Ivan, to use his name pejoratively - madisonears 19:10:40 11/26/18 (2)
- Pejoratively? - Ivan303 06:09:33 11/27/18 (1)
- RE: Pejoratively? - Duster 13:22:41 11/27/18 (0)
- Frequently inadequate, misrepresented, misunderstood - Duster 02:38:26 11/26/18 (4)
- Seems to me you are at the least complict in creating arguments. - Rick W 07:50:15 11/26/18 (2)
- RE: Seems to me you are at the least complict in creating arguments. - Davey 08:20:05 11/26/18 (1)
- RE: "The notion of objective reasoning, based on scientific evidence is against the spirit of the forum...." - Ivan303 15:05:15 11/26/18 (0)
- Where did I say anything about being against op-amp rolling? - Ivan303 05:40:23 11/26/18 (0)