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In Reply to: Re: Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty... posted by Mike Currie on March 5, 2003 at 18:04:42:
Sure, I'm biased. I'll admit it: I like the guy. I'm sorry for him if he's having a problem but agree that adults must take responsibility for their own actions. That, in fact, is the same reason I can't believe so many people who'd had no personal negative experience with him gleefully jumped into the melee and then refused to take responsibility for being mean-spirited and just plain hateful. It turns out it's even easier to drown witches on the Internet, I guess, where anonymity does a great job of facilitating irresponsibility.I couldn't find the auction on Audiogon, but descriptions of the original offer and subsequent communication are far from convincing to me that deception took place. Just because some of us didn't join the lynch mob hardly means that we're relativists or apologists. We're just asking for something besides hysteria before we're convinced there ought to be a hanging. I don't even care to play daring but ultimately empty games of logic about this. I'm just saying that if you want to trash a guy many people on this list know and like, something besides hearsay evidence needs to be the order of the day. Exactly two people in this discussion had any direct knowledge of the situation, and wouldn't you know it, they offer far different versions of what happened. Even if one of them really did take the other for a ride, this forum isn't the place for the bloodletting.
Why was the original post included on this list? I prefer to think that it wasn't retribution, but I don't have a lot of other good ideas. Tempers flared, and a nasty post or two would be understandable, I suppose. But responsible? That's what the Audiogon feedback is for. Beyond that, we have our law enforcement agencies, deceptive-trade complaints filed with the attorney general's office, etc. Those are the venues adults have decided are the best place for adults to settle conflicts.
If the original post was meant as a warning to other potential buyers, why not just post negative feedback? I buy tubes all the time in online auctions, and I take negative feedback far more seriously than rumor-mongering. In fact, if you're a seller with negative feedback of more than about 2% on eBay, where the ratings are notoriously inflated, you'll be selling your wares to someone besides me, I assure you. In short, as far as warning future possible buyers goes, I think the negative feedback would have done the trick.
There has been a little talk about the worth or non-worth of unregistered comments. Sure, even a registered guy can hide behind an alias, but at least registration establishes a repeated online persona that poster uses and can be judged by. It's one step toward responsibility. Want to use a real name? That's up to you, although no one is to say whether it's truly your real name. And it still doesn't make an individual particularly easy to locate or hold accountable.
Finally, a 70% rating on one guy's B&K tester might be a 50% on another guy's Hickok. Or it might be 110%. In other words, testers are notoriously nonstandardized. I have two Hickoks, both of them calibrated by top professionals in the tester rebuilding biz, and they just about never agree on readings for the same tubes. I use them because they are good relative indicators of quality, but a specific reading on one tester does not often agree with another, and hence probably isn't a great reason to accuse a seller of a ripoff. If that makes me a tube-tester relativist, I'm OK with that.
Best,
John Hanan
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