In Reply to: RE: effects box ... posted by deathtube 667 on February 4, 2022 at 08:42:47:
The criteria for subjective design of an amplifier is not how an amplifier measures on a scope, or distortion equipment, but rather, subjectively, how it plays back all the musical instruments....... to the listener's ears.
For example, when listening to a drum solo, do the various drum heads maintain their own distinct sound, such that you can sense the drum head's size, and after-reverberation, as IF you were hearing it the room , live?
Do the cymbals sound real - have a metallic sound, with proper high-frequency extension, detail and harmonic structures ? Very important, are the dynamic shadings, of each and every instrument, portrayed in a life-like manner?
Does the music's timing both thrill and fool you, at the same time?? OR, does the music's playback timing seem to be slightly out-of-synch with hearing the " real thing " ( feedback amps ). Does music come to you as though you were hearing multiple music / acoustic events, happening distinctly, and IN both the instrument's and musician's own time frame? NOT in the time frame of ANY sort of audio amplifier ??
If it measures bad, and sounds good, no worry at all - you are " there " !!!
If it measures good, and sounds bad, you are measuring the wrong thing !!
DT667 is correct, having good high efficiency speakers, with large radiating surfaces, goes a long way in designing amplifiers on a subjective basis. After a lifetime of inefficient speakers, both dynamic dynamic and electrostatic, I now run very mildly modded ALTEC Voice of the Theater A7-8s ( 515Bs and 802Ds ). I love what both driver's horn loads do during music playback. The amplifier you pair with such speakers has to be good - or you will notice minor anomalies in the electronics - easily.
All of this post refers to subjective testing. After all is said and done, while test equipment can be partially helpful, we have to listen to an amplifier and how it plays back music. Can it play back all of the musical instruments convincingly ???.
Jeff
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Follow Ups
- Subjective Criteria - drlowmu 02/4/2211:44:22 02/4/22 (44)
- RE: Subjective Criteria - PakProtector 03:22:35 02/5/22 (43)
- RE: Subjective Criteria, and the word " defect " - drlowmu 07:56:09 02/5/22 (42)
- RE: the "concepts" are not defects ... - deathtube 667 09:08:24 02/6/22 (40)
- RE: the "concepts" are not defects ... - 91derlust 16:56:18 02/7/22 (7)
- RE: exclusive club ... - deathtube 667 05:35:55 02/9/22 (6)
- I think you have it backwards.... - PakProtector 09:14:31 02/9/22 (5)
- RE: I think you have not changed ... - deathtube 667 06:17:07 02/10/22 (1)
- RE: I think you have not changed ... - PakProtector 04:28:23 02/11/22 (0)
- RE: I think you have it backwards.... - tube wrangler 10:10:15 02/9/22 (2)
- yep...backwards - PakProtector 14:46:05 02/9/22 (0)
- RE: I think you have it backwards.... - Tre' 10:28:18 02/9/22 (0)
- RE: the "concepts" are not defects ... - PakProtector 15:14:14 02/6/22 (31)
- RE :answer the call of greatness - deathtube 667 15:39:37 02/6/22 (30)
- Vague grandiose statements (one could liken to Camelot) will not augment your credibility - Cleantimestream 05:11:50 02/7/22 (25)
- RE: the credibility was established at RMAF ... - deathtube 667 07:10:19 02/7/22 (24)
- The truth is self evident that you have not heard mine nor many other amps built by those on this forum ergo, - Cleantimestream 08:29:43 02/8/22 (12)
- RE: it was your design ... - deathtube 667 08:55:47 02/8/22 (11)
- RE: it was your design ... - drlowmu 10:41:41 02/8/22 (3)
- RE: it was your design ... - Cleantimestream 11:15:27 02/8/22 (2)
- RE: it was your design ... - drlowmu 12:17:02 02/8/22 (1)
- RE: it was your design ... - GEO 20:06:44 02/8/22 (0)
- RE: it was your design ... - Tre' 09:29:13 02/8/22 (6)
- RE: it was your design ... - drlowmu 10:18:05 02/8/22 (1)
- RE: it was your design ... - Tre' 10:44:12 02/8/22 (0)
- I think ya forgot a feature - PakProtector 09:37:04 02/8/22 (3)
- I did fail to include that short comming. - Tre' 10:25:42 02/8/22 (2)
- RE: I did fail to include that short comming. - drlowmu 11:09:28 02/8/22 (1)
- RE: I did fail to include that short comming. - PakProtector 16:53:12 02/8/22 (0)
- RE: the credibility was established at RMAF ... - drlowmu 10:53:02 02/7/22 (10)
- RE: the credibility was established at RMAF ... - awsjr 05:53:39 02/8/22 (8)
- RE: the credibility was established at RMAF ... - drlowmu 09:03:18 02/8/22 (7)
- You forgot a wee bit... - PakProtector 17:12:35 02/8/22 (5)
- RE: You forgot a wee bit... - rage 07:19:15 02/9/22 (4)
- RE: MV rectifier + flywheel ... - deathtube 667 08:16:21 02/9/22 (1)
- RE: MV rectifier + flywheel ... - rage 09:42:35 02/9/22 (0)
- RE: You forgot a wee bit... - PakProtector 07:30:37 02/9/22 (1)
- RE: You forgot a wee bit... - rage 07:47:13 02/9/22 (0)
- RE: the credibility was established at RMAF ... - awsjr 10:17:41 02/8/22 (0)
- RE: the credibility was established at RMAF ... - PakProtector 14:51:13 02/7/22 (0)
- RE: RE :answer the call of greatness - PakProtector 16:23:49 02/6/22 (3)
- Having some trouble finding something happybear? - PakProtector 01:35:48 02/8/22 (2)
- RE: finding something ... - deathtube 667 08:51:29 02/8/22 (1)
- back to our regurly scheduled effects box worship... :) - PakProtector 09:44:21 02/8/22 (0)
- RE: Subjective Criteria, and the word " defect " - PakProtector 08:11:16 02/5/22 (0)