If you inhabit forums, then "it sounds better" comes up a lot and although it probably means something to the person that wrote it, what does it mean. What's the "it" and what does "better" mean?
The folk here occupy a spectrum from "can't measure it, can't be happening" through to "solder needs to break in" with everyone else occupying the middle ground between.
The cap break in thread recently highlighted these two extremes. If you can't measure it then it can't be heard is a common line to dismiss anyone that hears something that can't be technically explained. I have yet to see anyone come up with a technical measurement to confirm sound quality outside gross errors in frequency, phase or distortion measurements. So this leads to the conclusion that all competently designed amplifiers, given equal specs must sound the same or else the listener is delusional.
The main issue I have is not to deride the technical measurements we know about and can easily perform to determine basic performance. That's the easy bit and relevant. But there are a whole raft of things we hear that just can't be determined by easy measurements or with gear the average person round here has access to.
And in the end, why would most bother? This is a listening hobby as well as a technical one. Sure this brings up another spectrum. Those that are in it for the technical aspects at one end and those that are just here to get a sound that pleases them. And the rest of us lie somewhere in between.
If we look a bit closer at what we're doing for the most part it's listening to music. We don't just "hear" music with our ears but also with our body. Everyone's ears are different. Stick your fingers in your ears and you can still hear. Most folk are disarmed to hear what they sound like on a recording. That's not the recording's fault but a perception issue of the individual. Just one feature of the "mix of listening"
Resonant cavities unique to our own body add peaks and troughs into the mix. And that's all before a person's "unique microphone" sends electrical signals to the brain. The brain then processes the signal based on a whole bunch of concepts, culture, taste and preconceived ideas to produce a result of "what it sounds like" in our head.
Obviously there is no relateable standard by which we can compare this between folk. We are not calibrated and the calibration can change from one monent to the next as the variables invloved in processing is too much. That any of us can agree on anything is incredible in itself.
Add into the mix that we like different music, interpret from that music different aspects with different priorities in what we listen for, then the idea of an improvement is also up for grabs.
With all that complexity, the idea that a simple suite of measurements, once a general level of goodness is reached is going to be relevant to what we hear or can't hear or how "it's sounding" is a bit far fetched.
And for completeness, I have measurement equipment, come from an engineering background and believe in "technical excellence" at a level that is appropriate for what I'm doing or trying to achieve. There are no absolutes in life so why should there be any here?
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Topic - It sounds better - Stephen R 13:31:30 06/7/21 (67)
- Excellent perspective. Nt. - MWE 11:17:12 06/10/21 (0)
- All amplifiers should sound good enough because... - cellailuca 03:56:25 06/9/21 (7)
- Huh?? - Ralph 09:57:16 06/9/21 (6)
- RE: Huh?? - Tre' 16:06:15 06/9/21 (0)
- RE: Huh?? - cellailuca 11:00:53 06/9/21 (4)
- hearing loss - Ralph 11:23:16 06/9/21 (3)
- RE: hearing loss - cellailuca 00:25:06 06/10/21 (0)
- RE: hearing loss - Stephen R 11:51:28 06/9/21 (1)
- I do that too - Ralph 12:42:01 06/9/21 (0)
- RE: It sounds better for real when it obeys human hearing perceptual rules. - Ralph 09:46:22 06/8/21 (7)
- RE: It sounds better for real when it obeys human hearing perceptual rules. - Deke609 14:50:36 06/8/21 (2)
- In a nutshell, yes. nt - Ralph 15:07:19 06/8/21 (1)
- Thanks - nt - Deke609 18:21:50 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: It sounds better for real when it obeys human hearing perceptual rules. - Stephen R 13:10:34 06/8/21 (2)
- Parts can make it sound better for real. - Ralph 14:09:11 06/8/21 (1)
- RE: Parts can make it sound better for real. - Stephen R 14:25:32 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: It sounds better for real when it obeys human hearing perceptual rules. - tube wrangler 13:07:00 06/8/21 (0)
- RE:can we not polute an audio forum with political BS ?? - awsjr 06:03:52 06/8/21 (4)
- RE:can we not polute an audio forum with political BS ?? - Stephen R 13:34:12 06/8/21 (2)
- RE:can we not polute an audio forum with political BS ?? - 91derlust 01:24:17 06/10/21 (0)
- My point as well ! .........................nt - Cut-Throat 18:38:31 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: It doesn't belong at Central, let alone here - B. Scarpia 07:20:32 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: It sounds better ... or does it? - deathtube 667 05:31:38 06/8/21 (31)
- RE: It sounds better ... or does it? - tube wrangler 13:11:31 06/8/21 (30)
- RE: It sounds better ... or does it? - Tre' 15:45:41 06/8/21 (1)
- RE: It sounds better ... or does it? - Stephen R 16:21:24 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: buy the best ... - deathtube 667 14:11:37 06/8/21 (27)
- RE: buy the best ??? - gusser 19:29:20 06/8/21 (0)
- I've heard the 'Serious Stereo' system at RMAF ......... - Cut-Throat 19:11:49 06/8/21 (21)
- RE: I've heard the 'Serious Stereo' system at RMAF ......... - deathtube 667 19:45:31 06/8/21 (20)
- RE: I've heard the 'Serious Stereo' system at RMAF ......... - Tre' 08:51:05 06/9/21 (17)
- I thought I'd get it from the Source himself ! ........... - Cut-Throat 11:04:51 06/9/21 (16)
- RE: the question needs more clarification ... - deathtube 667 11:33:03 06/9/21 (15)
- OMFG - Stephen R 18:26:52 06/9/21 (1)
- RE: get a clue - deathtube 667 02:50:49 06/10/21 (0)
- RE: the question needs more clarification ... - Tre' 16:09:46 06/9/21 (11)
- RE: the question needs more clarification ... - tube wrangler 19:48:46 06/9/21 (10)
- RE: the question needs more clarification ... - Cpwill 15:15:28 06/10/21 (0)
- RE: the question needs more clarification ... - tube wrangler 12:03:32 06/10/21 (6)
- What issue? nt - Tre' 14:12:25 06/10/21 (5)
- RE: What issue? nt - tube wrangler 14:39:28 06/10/21 (4)
- RE: What issue? nt - Tre' 16:39:02 06/10/21 (3)
- RE: the article ... - deathtube 667 04:45:49 06/11/21 (0)
- RE: What issue? nt - tube wrangler 00:00:01 06/11/21 (1)
- RE: What issue? nt - Tre' 06:12:24 06/11/21 (0)
- RE: the question needs more clarification ... - Tre' 06:53:08 06/10/21 (0)
- RE: RMAF 2004 - deathtube 667 04:36:55 06/10/21 (0)
- RE: the question needs more clarification ... - PakProtector 12:41:05 06/9/21 (0)
- Nope - Stephen R 19:58:12 06/8/21 (1)
- RE: Yep ... - deathtube 667 02:54:19 06/9/21 (0)
- Don't fret DT... - PakProtector 18:08:21 06/8/21 (0)
- And miss out? - Stephen R 17:49:57 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: buy the best ... - RPMac 17:25:03 06/8/21 (1)
- RE: buy the best ... - 91derlust 01:19:44 06/9/21 (0)
- Stating the obvious for me.... good post. - andy evans 04:59:37 06/8/21 (0)
- You're Simply Dishonest - Triode_Kingdom 21:48:31 06/7/21 (3)
- RE: You're Simply Dishonest - Stephen R 22:13:29 06/7/21 (2)
- RE: You're Simply Dishonest - Triode_Kingdom 11:45:53 06/8/21 (1)
- I don't believe I quoted you. - Stephen R 12:59:14 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: It sounds better - RPMac 18:59:33 06/7/21 (6)
- It's a spectrum - Stephen R 12:55:20 06/8/21 (5)
- RE: It's a spectrum - RPMac 17:17:02 06/8/21 (4)
- RE: It's a spectrum - Stephen R 17:23:53 06/8/21 (3)
- RE: It's a spectrum - dave slagle 09:06:20 06/9/21 (1)
- Well said Dave. Nt. - 91derlust 13:26:51 06/11/21 (0)
- RE: It's a spectrum - RPMac 17:28:43 06/8/21 (0)
- RE: It sounds better - Ivan303 14:55:10 06/7/21 (0)