Hi,So this integrated amp has its 12AX7s and 12AU7s all operated conservatively at under 1 mA. per section. It is wired stock with bell wire, flimsy stuff.
I ended up, as of two weeks ago using 12 gauge aircraft or mil spec wire, pure silver stranded, and a 30 gauge continous cast copper ( long grain ) magnet wire in parallel with the 12 gauge silver, to all B+ wiring distribution points in the amp.
This was a pretty good compromise, and way better than the stock amp's PUny wiring. But, it STILL was not totally capturing dynamic peaks with absolute integrity and ease, as I heard it on playback with my JBL D-123 speaker.
I added some special Mr. Dave Slagle-approved Radio Shack jumper wires :-) across the newly added silver B+ wiring, and I HEARD a need for an even greater gauge than 12 gauge ... to cut the mustard even moreso.
As of now ( and I am done with the HF-81 ) I ended-up using Fulton FMI Brown speaker wire, which is about 10 gauge, for all the B+ wiring, and also some about 30 gauge CCC wire from Dennis Boyle ( Chrimera Labs ) IN PARALLEL with the 10 gauge speaker wire. Now realize audio DIY friends, this is 10 gauge B+ wiring going to tube sections running under 1 mA.
While the present modded HF-81 has endearing qualities, I just can't hack listening to it long term, due to its lack of a totally separate G2 supply.....something I like in pentodes. The modded Paoli 60Ms of mine had this G2 optimized in such a way...no comparison between the two pentode stages' resolution, the Paoli wins easily.
I think its time for me to take the 2007 lessons learned with wire in the Eico HF-81 and apply it to a low mu triode output stage amp. A two-stage DC-coupled P-P Lofin White variant I've had in mind for a couple of years, a single 6SL-7 with round plates, DCed into a P-P pair of 2A3s with no negative supplies, no constant current sources, etc. A Zen-like super-simple / honest amp. Gee, I could even strip-out my old ARC D-75 and build it in that chassis reusing the old ARC iron !!
Did you all know that the ARC D-75-76 amplifier series had power trannies ( thirty years ago ) rated 800 mA and ... WELL under 5 ohms DCR? ... Measure one ! Wm. Z. knew, back then... was and is .... no fool.
Now I need to order four 2.5 VAC at 2.5 A. dual bobbin Hammond Ef power trannies for those four 2A3s next !! Ahh, the useful 2A3, Jeff's old friend - along with the 45.
Jeff Medwin
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Topic - Even More Adventures with Wire....Eico HF-81... - drlowmu 20:35:42 04/17/07 (40)
- Re: Even More Adventures with Wire....Eico HF-81... - Michael Samra 21:16:17 04/18/07 (0)
- yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (nt) - . 14:35:18 04/18/07 (0)
- Perhaps Only More Adventures with Faulty Memory... - Triode_Kingdom 13:13:35 04/18/07 (6)
- Baloney............. - drlowmu 06:16:17 04/19/07 (5)
- You don't know what you're talking about - Triode_Kingdom 13:10:20 04/19/07 (4)
- Re: You don't know what you're talking about - drlowmu 15:08:23 04/19/07 (3)
- Crackpot Theories - Triode_Kingdom 21:03:39 04/19/07 (2)
- NOPE !! , Its REAL, ....it exists ! - drlowmu 22:47:21 04/19/07 (1)
- Only in your own mind (nt) - Triode_Kingdom 08:01:11 04/20/07 (0)
- Bottom view - mikeyb 10:35:16 04/18/07 (1)
- There are few good vintage integrateds - kstagger 04:52:35 04/19/07 (0)
- For those interested - mikeyb 10:32:30 04/18/07 (20)
- Re: For those interested - drlowmu 07:21:42 04/19/07 (0)
- interestingly, though... - mhardy6647 05:48:59 04/19/07 (3)
- HF-81 is a great little integrated amp.... - Ivan303 06:40:34 04/19/07 (0)
- but... wire ain't a-gonna make much difference! (nt) - mhardy6647 05:49:41 04/19/07 (1)
- Re: but... wire ain't a-gonna make much difference! (nt) - drlowmu 06:34:15 04/19/07 (0)
- Re: For those interested - Ray Moth 16:26:58 04/18/07 (5)
- Missing the MAIN point........forest for the trees........... - drlowmu 07:06:03 04/19/07 (4)
- Re: Think you can look at a schematic - and actually tell how a vintage piece will sound?? - Ray Moth 01:57:20 04/20/07 (0)
- Re: Missing the MAIN point........forest for the trees........... - danlaudionut 09:07:13 04/19/07 (0)
- I did not miss the point..... - TonyB 08:02:06 04/19/07 (0)
- Re: Missing the MAIN point........forest for the trees........... - Tre' 08:01:16 04/19/07 (1)
- Don't tell Jeff - Russ57 12:03:38 04/18/07 (1)
- Jadis is like . . . - Thergit 16:19:20 04/18/07 (0)
- Here is the operating point for V2a - Tre' 10:43:31 04/18/07 (6)
- What they probably had in mind..... - drlowmu 22:55:41 04/19/07 (5)
- That is absolutely ridiculous - Ray Moth 01:50:32 04/20/07 (4)
- Re: That is absolutely ridiculous - Tre' 10:14:54 04/20/07 (3)
- Re: That is absolutely ridiculous - drlowmu 12:57:05 04/20/07 (2)
- Re: That is absolutely ridiculous - Ray Moth 15:44:31 04/20/07 (0)
- Re: That is absolutely ridiculous - Tre' 13:11:10 04/20/07 (0)
- so wire makes a bigger diff than a separate g2 supply? - Ty 09:17:45 04/18/07 (0)
- Re: Even More Adventures with Wire....Eico HF-81... - mhardy6647 05:18:09 04/18/07 (1)
- Re: Even More Adventures with Wire....Eico HF-81... - drlowmu 06:30:27 04/18/07 (0)
- Hi Jeff - lovetube 01:24:33 04/18/07 (1)
- Re: Hi Jeff - drlowmu 06:34:10 04/18/07 (0)
- Re: Even More Adventures with Wire....Eico HF-81... - Mossback 00:21:53 04/18/07 (2)
- Re: Even More Adventures with Wire....Eico HF-81... - drlowmu 06:36:35 04/18/07 (1)
- To yr die-hard spirit to achieve yr amazing sonic illusion, I salute. (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:49:51 04/18/07 (0)