Breaking-In Speakers: A Myth?

Topic - Breaking-In Speakers: A Myth? - NGeorge 11:09:35 03/30/09 (140)

Why the question mark when you are making a statement? Or am I mything thumthing? [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:18:15 04/6/09 (0)

You must be Nut's friend - Stale 10:22:50 04/3/09 (4)

Sounds like you are asking for an application for my fan club? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:06:02 04/3/09 (3)

"IMHO" LOL, - you've NEVER had a humble opinion -t - Sordidman 15:34:10 04/3/09 (0)

You just confirmed each of my statements. - Stale 14:56:43 04/3/09 (0)

That's a good one! - NGeorge 13:42:31 04/3/09 (0)

Gasoline Seeks Flame For Intense Short Term Relationship. - Paul_A 03:43:00 04/2/09 (9)

"I'm sure there's a lot to be learned from this thread. " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:13:50 04/2/09 (2)

RE: "I'm sure there's a lot to be learned from this thread. " - Fishcat1 10:00:41 04/4/09 (0)

RE: "I'm sure there's a lot to be learned from this thread. " - Fishcat1 09:56:57 04/4/09 (0)

Actually... - tketcham 07:26:53 04/2/09 (5)

RE: Actually... - Kevin P 10:37:47 04/2/09 (4)

RE: Actually... - tketcham 18:40:58 04/2/09 (3)

True that - Sordidman 10:46:13 04/3/09 (2)

RE: True that - tketcham 13:24:55 04/3/09 (1)

The invocation of "science" - Sordidman 13:45:13 04/3/09 (0)

My take... - Kevin P 11:32:07 04/1/09 (0)

It certainly is a myth. - Dan Banquer 06:59:49 04/1/09 (27)

Interesting - E-Stat 08:26:31 04/2/09 (0)

That is really funny - Danny 10:14:25 04/1/09 (18)

No Dan, it's really tragic, that you are unable to read the data from the link. - Dan Banquer 10:21:09 04/1/09 (17)

There is no data in the link. - Danny 10:33:17 04/1/09 (16)

I beg to differ. - Dan Banquer 10:43:35 04/1/09 (15)

Keep looking... - Danny 11:05:29 04/1/09 (14)

Once again - Dan Banquer 11:08:49 04/1/09 (13)

Anything else? - Danny 12:28:56 04/1/09 (12)

RE: Anything else? - Kevin P 13:00:20 04/1/09 (11)

Hello Kevin - Danny 13:21:51 04/1/09 (10)

RE: Hello Kevin - Kevin P 13:41:15 04/1/09 (9)

RE: Hello Kevin - Danny 14:18:22 04/1/09 (8)

RE: Hello Kevin - Kevin P 15:12:30 04/1/09 (7)

RE: Hello Kevin - Danny 15:30:12 04/1/09 (6)

RE: Hello Kevin - Kevin P 15:34:45 04/1/09 (5)

RE: Hello Kevin - Danny 15:45:44 04/1/09 (1)

RE: Hello Kevin - Kevin P 16:04:36 04/1/09 (0)

RE: Hello Kevin - Dan Banquer 15:38:52 04/1/09 (2)

"His degree is in marketing from what I understand and not engineering." - Richard BassNut Greene 07:29:20 04/3/09 (0)

Get it right Dan. - Danny 15:47:59 04/1/09 (0)

At the link you provided, try to search text for words "listen" or "hear" - how many hits? - carcass93 09:35:55 04/1/09 (6)

After all these years and three sets of speakers........ - Dan Banquer 09:44:48 04/1/09 (5)

Buy some Maggies, Dan - any model ... - andyr 00:25:04 04/3/09 (2)

Put up some documnetation, real measurements, real documentation,..... - Dan Banquer 04:35:58 04/3/09 (1)

Nice try, Dan ... IMO it's better to use your ears than read about it. :-)) nt - andyr 05:02:08 04/3/09 (0)

The ultimate in anecdotal evidence. - Dave Pogue 10:04:27 04/1/09 (0)

Three sets of speakers, Whow, that really covers them all (nt) - Stale 10:02:39 04/1/09 (0)

RE: A Myth? Not with ... - gentlegiantfan 21:54:45 03/31/09 (1)

RE: A Myth? Not with ... - esande 22:41:40 03/31/09 (0)

I'm Not Making a Definitive Statment, yet... - Doug Schroeder 21:49:33 03/31/09 (0)

The most likely villain has yet to be discussed at all - E-Stat 16:33:33 03/31/09 (5)

Hmmm, lets's see... - Abel McCain 20:41:40 04/1/09 (4)

I wasn't aware - E-Stat 08:07:25 04/2/09 (3)

I wasn't sure... - Abel McCain 09:53:35 04/2/09 (2)

I'm still referring to most speaker systems - E-Stat 14:52:39 04/2/09 (1)

I guess it wasn't - E-Stat 08:11:22 04/3/09 (0)

Check the facts guys... - Danny Richie 11:57:39 03/31/09 (25)

Your own measurements clearly show bias and faulty methodology - Richard BassNut Greene 08:26:58 04/1/09 (22)

You are mistaken - Danny Rihcie 10:02:14 04/1/09 (21)

Sorry but you've force me to use your own posted words against you - Richard BassNut Greene 10:53:28 04/1/09 (20)

You just don't get it. - Danny 13:01:13 04/1/09 (19)

Coming from someone who posts under three different monikers, one spelled wrong? You must be kidding? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:42:44 04/2/09 (18)

And who are you? - Danny 09:26:52 04/2/09 (17)

If you have nothing to add to the question of audibility of speaker break-in then why are you here? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:30:05 04/2/09 (16)

Why are you here? - Danny 10:54:27 04/2/09 (15)

I'm someone who thinks about what we can hear & how we know that, not an " I know what I hear" audiophile - Richard BassNut Greene 07:15:44 04/3/09 (7)

:-) - Danny 09:22:21 04/3/09 (6)

Awesome post: yet, you know that you spit in the wind - Sordidman 10:07:53 04/3/09 (5)

What are you talking about? This is more confused than usual - Richard BassNut Greene 14:50:40 04/3/09 (4)

don't bring other people into your lack of understanding - Sordidman 16:25:53 04/3/09 (3)

"Care to list your system?" -- it's been listed here for years -- so why would you care? -- Armchair Analysis? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:20:12 04/4/09 (2)

January 2009? Beauty school drop-out, go back to high school -t - Sordidman 15:06:39 04/4/09 (1)

January 2009 was the date of the latest update to my Nearfield Nirvana system - Richard BassNut Greene 10:22:04 04/7/09 (0)

After the nut loses an argument, he always makes a false claim of personal attacks -t - Sordidman 12:35:52 04/2/09 (6)

When the first line of a post is:..." I am beginning to think you really don't understand anything" ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:20:47 04/3/09 (5)

It's whatever you say it is? Feeling overly arrogant today? -t - Sordidman 09:05:04 04/3/09 (4)

I can see why you don't post under your real name (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:32 04/3/09 (3)

I can't see why you're hiding and refusing basic system info: more important -t - Sordidman 10:28:59 04/3/09 (2)

Well first you goes to "Inmate Systems" & then you goes to "R" & and then you look up "Richard ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:50:30 04/4/09 (1)

You're such a "golden ears" - Sordidman 16:52:39 04/4/09 (0)

They now question audibility of these measured differences (see RBNG's posts below). - carcass93 12:53:24 03/31/09 (0)

RE: Check the facts guys... - DKL 12:08:37 03/31/09 (0)

The break in never stops or never happens - Zipcord 11:05:39 03/31/09 (0)

What Paul Barton of PSB says... - Bry 10:04:28 03/31/09 (0)

To me, it makes sense to separate this question into these 3: - carcass93 08:31:27 03/31/09 (1)

RE: To me, it makes sense to separate this question into these 3: - Sunya 10:03:27 03/31/09 (0)

Only halfwits argue differently - badman 08:31:03 03/31/09 (0)

RE: Breaking-In Speakers: A Myth? - caspian@peak.org 08:03:12 03/31/09 (1)

"conscientious speaker builders" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:05:31 03/31/09 (0)

If not already done in the factory during QC testing, break-in takes a few minutes of large excursions - Richard BassNut Greene 07:07:08 03/31/09 (1)

Interesting to note - unclestu52 11:41:35 03/31/09 (0)

This debate should have ended years ago - hifi heretic 03:28:17 03/31/09 (6)

The only useful outcome of your "tests" is this: - carcass93 08:23:05 03/31/09 (0)

"Of all the heated debates that exist in our hobby, this is one that should have ended years ago" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:22:39 03/31/09 (4)

RE: "Of all the heated debates that exist in our hobby, this is one that should have ended years ago" - Kevin P 11:37:08 04/1/09 (3)

You are a true audiophile - Richard BassNut Greene 10:32:49 04/2/09 (2)

RE: You are a true audiophile - Kevin P 10:43:17 04/2/09 (1)

"I mainly just have a strange fascination with transducers" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:26:01 04/3/09 (0)

RE: Breaking-In Speakers: A Myth? - KlausR. 01:25:11 03/31/09 (0)

Breaking in our mind - GerryM5 22:32:51 03/30/09 (0)

Absolute myth. Manufacturers recommending "burning in" know that - tinear 21:21:49 03/30/09 (0)

The replies from driver manufacturers - Sunya 12:22:37 03/30/09 (25)

Manufacturers WANT listeners to give the speakers lot's of use so their EARS CAN GET USED TO THEM !!! - Richard BassNut Greene 07:38:20 03/31/09 (10)

"...component that takes a lot of hours to "break-in"... is a source of pride" - making shit up, as usual? - carcass93 08:08:58 03/31/09 (9)

You took the least of Mr. Greene's points to launch an argument. - Robert C. Lang 22:32:18 03/31/09 (8)

carcASS usually just ignores the points and jumps straight into a character attack ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:22:23 04/4/09 (0)

He's beating up the schoolyard bully with good reason, - Sordidman 09:24:51 04/1/09 (3)

RE: He's beating up the schoolyard bully with good reason, - Robert C. Lang 12:37:09 04/1/09 (2)

10-4, I got a race on the 18th, but the 19th looks fab -t - Sordidman 15:03:57 04/1/09 (1)

Cool. I really looking forward to hearing your Merlins again..... - Robert C. Lang 17:03:00 04/1/09 (0)

You could look at my other posts in this thread, in response to RBNG. - carcass93 05:18:22 04/1/09 (2)

I believe Mr. Greene, while perhaps overly self assured, is being a good myth buster on this issue - Robert C. Lang 11:22:32 04/1/09 (1)

Lang, you're in big trouble here, agreeing with me! - Richard BassNut Greene 10:36:50 04/2/09 (0)

Gallo Reference 3 (3.0, 3.1) recommendation is 100 hours - Dave Pogue 14:30:28 03/30/09 (0)

Enlightening indeed... Cable fixation on ATC part is something to behold. - carcass93 12:52:51 03/30/09 (4)

RE: Enlightening indeed... Cable fixation on ATC part is something to behold. - JimL 15:48:23 03/30/09 (1)

Absolutely true... and I hear the same things differently in ... - jonbee 16:48:04 03/30/09 (0)

RE: Enlightening indeed... Cable fixation on ATC part is something to behold. - muser 13:07:24 03/30/09 (1)

No damning. Just as you'd prefer not to hear differences between cables, but still do - ... - carcass93 13:56:05 03/30/09 (0)

That's good information...Danny Richie has extensive measurements... - jonbee 12:47:01 03/30/09 (7)

Measurements don't tell you what people really hear - Richard BassNut Greene 07:45:57 03/31/09 (6)

How about commenting on the actual measurements, provided in the link? - carcass93 08:49:15 03/31/09 (5)

The measurement differences are almost always smaller than sample-to-sample driver manufacturing variations - Richard BassNut Greene 09:16:38 03/31/09 (1)

"The numbers strongly suggest no audible break-in" - how? - carcass93 09:29:50 03/31/09 (0)

So if something can be measured, then it MUST be audible? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:07:56 03/31/09 (2)

You're obviously confused, or are playing fool, or your memory is failing - anyway, let me help you. - carcass93 09:23:14 03/31/09 (1)

Make up your mind (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 14:18:41 04/4/09 (0)

100 to 400 hours on my Thiels - ask the manufacturer...(nt) - mkuller 12:22:12 03/30/09 (13)

I could never stand listening to Theils.. - gymwear5@hotmail.com 07:45:58 04/1/09 (1)

Not everybody likes every speaker... - mkuller 12:09:47 04/1/09 (0)

The Nut knows more than ANY manufacturer - Dave Pogue 07:32:22 03/31/09 (10)

The same manufacturer who told you that his speakers were the best available at that price ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:51:25 03/31/09 (9)

"Knows physics." Repeatedly denies Haas Effect and dissembles about climate - keith_d 09:13:59 03/31/09 (6)

Unlike global warming hoaxers, I only look at average temperature and make no wild guess predictions - Richard BassNut Greene 09:19:44 03/31/09 (5)

You "Haas"n't a clue t - keith_d 11:17:16 03/31/09 (4)

Do you Haas to reply with really bad jokes? (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 11:01:26 04/1/09 (3)

Pot meet Kettle: you've already cornered the bad joke market -t - Sordidman 13:17:26 04/1/09 (1)

Speaking of RBNG and bad joke market - word "dumping" comes to mind... N/T - carcass93 13:48:49 04/1/09 (0)

Got any objective data to support your outrageous claim about bad joke? - carcass93 12:30:51 04/1/09 (0)

Ah, the Nut abides. - Dave Pogue 08:04:45 03/31/09 (1)

A little bit of the Cohen Brothers would do him a world of good - Sordidman 12:01:41 03/31/09 (0)

No myth - mbnx01 11:35:44 03/30/09 (0)

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