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Re: If "BS" = "By golly, he'S right...

Posted by Mark (S-D) on January 20, 2001 at 22:20:24

In Reply to: If "BS" = "By golly, he'S right... posted by shane versteeg on January 20, 2001 at 09:17:14:

(( 1. I don't BS. Thats why I write on these asylum thingies - I write what I know to be true. I have said a couple of times already, I have listened to a lot of audio, and nothing I have heard makes music more fun than SETs and horns. And because it is ME who is saying it, it is an opinion. ))

It is easy for someone to write a bunch of subjective BS then later claim it was all his opinion. I think all horns i have heard had bad tone period. My opinion, but i am not telling everyone they have horrible sound using horns or it could be better with ____ and what they have is only "good". They like them for other reasons. I respect their opinion and choice. There are some people who only like full-range paper cones. No problem by me.

(( I do not need to add IMHO to anything I already wrote, since the people who know me already think I am humble. ))

You are joking right?

(( But here, it is about honesty. I am not going to pretend that "it doesn't matter" if I think it matters. And since I am writing this and no one is trying to get me off this asylum (because I am not causing an uproar or calling names or anything - just stating things I feel strongly about), I will continue to write as thoughtfully and honestly as I possibly can. ))

I have no problem with you. Only your post. I respect your honesty by saying it was all your opinion.

(( BS, I don't think so. ))

I think so.

(( 2. I don't know what you are thinking when you go on about me not explaining or describing what I think makes a great hifi, or as we have started to use the word, "magic" so freaquently. You mention that some people think stereos ought to do this and that, and that you think "tone" is the most important thing. You mention that "magic" is different from one person to another. This is what I termed MY "magic" to mean: ))

You are doing a poor job of cleaning up your BS. No, you said unless we have a system that agree's with your defination of magic, we are getting only "good" sound. Pure BS!

> The reasons why I like the SET topology so much is not because of > holography or audiophile tricks - it is simply the purity of this > note and that note. It is the bite of the string. The blat! of the > horn. The bomp of the beat. The silence. And I am not just talking > about chamber music (although, this is about 1/2 of what I listen > to), I am talking about real pulsing realism - the subtle and huge > changes of direction that music often takes and the natural flow > that human and instrument create together. When I talk about SETs > and high efficient/high impedance (among other things), I am talking > about ENERGY that is found nowhere else.

(( Horns do this - and otherwise the system just "sounds good." Yep - this is my opinion. And I don't need to appologise for this, and I am being as honest as I possibly dare. ))

Next time say its your opinion. My non-horn speakers have plenty of energy. Enough to not get shouty sounding which most horns do IMO. I have recorded music onto tapes myself (1st generation) and played them on my speakers and the energy is pretty close to what it sounded like live. With horns, plenty of added "shout" is added making things sound really un-natural. IMO. Of course, my main thing is tone. I am not trying to make my speakers sound like the loud sterile sound of a amplified concert.

(( Read more carefully before you staple "BS" to anything that I write. 3. Mark writes: "Perhaps Vince has already tried the "recommended amp" and likes his SET amps better?" I am not trying to persuade our friend to get into or choose one amp over the other - I am trying to do so with speakers. ))

Than why did you say *amp* than?

(( 4. I don't sell audio. I do not sell horns or design them or rely on the esteem of them to ba able to feel good about life or to earn a good living. I have nothing to do with this stuff. I just buy it every once in a while and use it to listen to records and cds. I am not a guru. I don't sit around with my Talmudim and act wise and all-knowing about the audio arts. I am learning and will always be learning about what makes music MUSIC from black boxes and wires and speakers - and I have fun at it. Some things that I have learned are no-brainers (like the difference between SETs/horns and SETs/Maggies [or similar speakers]). Some things are not written in stone and are free to roam about (like the funny little Rega kytes that I have - they are a blast on a big Naim amp as well as a little Audio Note pentode SE amp). Some things have not been charted (like SACD and Sakuma-style interstage transformer mono amps driving a single horn). Don't act so suprised and offended when someone like me, just a guy who listens to music for fun most of his free time, talks about something that most certainly will make a good experience into a gobsmackingly beautiful musical experience by changing from Maggies (which are wonderful in their own right) to any number of the horn designs that are floating around on Ebay or Audiogon at the moment. ))

You have a hard time telling apart a opinion from fact don't you? It is *YOUR OPINION* that "any number of horns on ebay" will sound better than his Maggies. Got it?

((No need to be humble about that, my friend. What is opinion to me is FACT to me. Why would I speak of it otherwise? ))

You are like talking to a brick wall. What is a opinion is a opinion. It could be your opinion that Vinyl is a superior format than CD. Doesn't make it fact does it?

-Mark

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