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In Reply to: Survey question concerning training posted by E-Stat on March 4, 2009 at 18:13:29:
My problem has always been how to describe (in words) what I hear when (attempting) communicating with others.
I am now listening to the "Golden Ears" training set of CD's from Dave Moulton. This wonderful program (8 CD's) has a whole set of exercises so you can detect various frequencies (how many of you can accurately detect 100hz, 1000hz? and say a 3 dB boost at a frequency) the effects of equalization; time and amplitude distortions, etc. using A/B drills.
I can now at least begin to identify frequency ranges; amplitude differences and other "perturbations", so it is not only adding clarity to my own interpretations of what I hear but a means to express this when talking with someone else.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Survey question concerning training - E-Stat 18:13:29 03/4/09 (107)
- Concerts, playing, study of historic instruments, recording technique, radio programme, seller/ guru - Bambi B 07:57:31 03/7/09 (5)
- The mind reels at the wasted time... - kerr 09:15:21 03/8/09 (0)
- Wow! - E-Stat 08:57:53 03/7/09 (3)
- Attention ! All you ears- line up! - Bambi B 01:35:44 03/9/09 (2)
- We shouldn't look down on those still operating... - mkuller 09:51:29 03/9/09 (1)
- Getting in touch with our inner lizard - Bambi B 11:21:49 03/9/09 (0)
- Observational / Descriptional? Problems - stellavox 03/6/0904:26:58 03/6/09 (2)
- The Context of "Training"....... - Todd Krieger 22:31:07 03/6/09 (0)
- When you're done with those CDs.... - mkuller 09:30:52 03/6/09 (0)
- I think being at recording venues and hearing much live music is the key. - Norm 14:39:43 03/5/09 (0)
- I was lucky to find a mentor. - Al Sekela 11:10:59 03/5/09 (0)
- "Training" does not improve audiophile results in blind tests -- audio "training" is mainly brainwashing! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:57:21 03/5/09 (37)
- Peer reviewed AES article on effect of listener training on reliability of DBT scores - andy_c 17:45:10 03/5/09 (26)
- This is about speakers where double blind tests are very rare - Richard BassNut Greene 14:28:45 03/6/09 (16)
- RE: This is about speakers where double blind tests are very rare - Tony Lauck 19:26:03 03/6/09 (0)
- Let's run your conclusions by the logic test - E-Stat 15:45:09 03/6/09 (14)
- I ran your post by the moron test - Richard BassNut Greene 07:53:04 03/7/09 (12)
- The Moment You Thought About The Topic That Was Immediately Evident To Everyone Richard! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:04:20 03/8/09 (0)
- You also passed the Hypocrite test. - robert young 12:26:08 03/7/09 (7)
- But Daddy he called me "Bozo the Clown" in his post -- should I take that flak when ........... - Richard BassNut Greene 10:05:48 03/9/09 (6)
- You just won the Bozo the Clown Award -nt - E-Stat 20:45:58 03/10/09 (0)
- You should take the flak... - robert young 10:12:24 03/9/09 (4)
- I don't accuse others of character attacks - Richard BassNut Greene 10:11:13 03/10/09 (3)
- You're a hypocrite AND a liar - robert young 10:33:42 03/10/09 (2)
- "Character attack posts are a demonstration of high emotions and low intelligence" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:52:56 03/11/09 (1)
- Well, since you often resort to character attacks, the conclusion to be drawn... - robert young 11:05:26 03/14/09 (0)
- Let's recap - E-Stat 08:13:45 03/7/09 (2)
- recap means taking off your cap and then putting it on again? Your latest trick? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:33:21 03/7/09 (1)
- recap means taking off your cap and then putting it on again? - E-Stat 08:54:02 03/7/09 (0)
- As usual with RBNG, it's all about taking one's own inadequacies and imposing them ... - carcass93 06:41:44 03/7/09 (0)
- Bozo the Clown is definitely lurking here, somewhere. - carcass93 14:13:43 03/6/09 (0)
- Interesting paper. Thanks for posting it. nt - Tony Lauck 09:37:42 03/6/09 (0)
- It Looks Like the "Peers" Didn't Really Review Anything....... - Todd Krieger 19:30:27 03/5/09 (6)
- RE: It Looks Like the "Peers" Didn't Really Review Anything....... - Peter H-son 14:31:42 03/6/09 (0)
- RE: It Looks Like the "Peers" Didn't Really Review Anything....... - andy_c 19:40:07 03/5/09 (4)
- "I have noticed that you simply make things up out of thin air " - Richard BassNut Greene 14:31:18 03/6/09 (0)
- Looks like a grand tail chase too me at first glance - Analog Scott 10:36:52 03/6/09 (1)
- RE: Looks like a grand tail chase too me at first glance - morricab 16:27:00 03/9/09 (0)
- RE: It Looks Like the "Peers" Didn't Really Review Anything....... - Todd Krieger 20:03:51 03/5/09 (0)
- " There is no evidence that "training" improves test scores" There is no evidence period - Norm 14:37:59 03/5/09 (0)
- RE: "Training" does not improve audiophile results in blind tests -- audio "training" is mainly brainwashing! - Tony Lauck 13:57:14 03/5/09 (0)
- Training is readily accomplished and repeatable. - Enophile 13:37:03 03/5/09 (2)
- "Once the difference was pointed out..." - E-Stat 14:57:51 03/5/09 (0)
- There is a similar true story... - mkuller 13:47:02 03/5/09 (0)
- Lacking Self Confidence........ - Todd Krieger 11:42:49 03/5/09 (0)
- Some people just can't be trained... - mkuller 11:34:47 03/5/09 (0)
- This just shows that there are piles of bull waste products - but there are also... - carcass93 11:19:00 03/5/09 (0)
- If aural training - unclestu52 10:27:02 03/5/09 (0)
- By all means - E-Stat 09:39:54 03/5/09 (0)
- Such training is only relevant to the particulars - Don Till 08:45:58 03/5/09 (24)
- The reference of live music... - mkuller 12:42:05 03/5/09 (1)
- Nice! - Don Till 14:14:40 03/5/09 (0)
- RE: Such training is only relevant to the particulars - Todd Krieger 11:29:31 03/5/09 (1)
- RE: Such training is only relevant to the particulars - Don Till 14:08:19 03/5/09 (0)
- There is always the separate question of preference - E-Stat 10:02:34 03/5/09 (19)
- RE: There is always the separate question of preference - Don Till 13:57:17 03/5/09 (18)
- RE: There is always the separate question of preference - morricab 16:37:04 03/9/09 (5)
- I disagree - Don Till 23:29:04 03/9/09 (4)
- RE: I disagree - morricab 05:11:09 03/10/09 (3)
- I still disagree ("so what??") - Don Till 09:10:23 03/10/09 (2)
- RE: I still disagree ("so what??") - morricab 06:04:22 03/11/09 (1)
- RE: I still disagree ("so what??") - Don Till 13:17:40 03/11/09 (0)
- We must be talking about different things - E-Stat 15:15:02 03/5/09 (11)
- RE: We must be talking about different things - Don Till 16:17:40 03/5/09 (10)
- Nope - E-Stat 16:41:57 03/5/09 (9)
- RE: A flawed approach - theaudiohobby 03:50:54 03/10/09 (0)
- RE: Nope - Don Till 06:44:53 03/6/09 (7)
- We're talking across each other - E-Stat 07:44:44 03/6/09 (6)
- RE: We're talking across each other - Don Till 07:24:08 03/8/09 (5)
- How then would you characterize - E-Stat 09:29:17 03/8/09 (4)
- Like I said - Don Till 10:09:00 03/8/09 (3)
- RE: Like I said - morricab 06:13:04 03/11/09 (2)
- I trained my ears in recording studios. nt - b.l.zeebub 07:54:33 03/5/09 (0)
- RE: Survey question concerning training - Rbernst929@aol.com 06:28:42 03/5/09 (0)
- RE: Survey question concerning training - Peter H-son 06:25:46 03/5/09 (27)
- Meaning? - E-Stat 07:58:50 03/5/09 (26)
- RE: Meaning? - Peter H-son 09:22:37 03/5/09 (25)
- That's a Cop-Out........ - Todd Krieger 11:13:36 03/5/09 (23)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - Peter H-son 12:33:30 03/5/09 (22)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - morricab 16:46:28 03/9/09 (0)
- "Classical western music" - E-Stat 12:57:03 03/5/09 (9)
- RE: "Classical western music" - Peter H-son 13:08:29 03/5/09 (8)
- Sorry - E-Stat 13:43:36 03/5/09 (7)
- If there is Country & Western music... - kerr 13:50:56 03/5/09 (6)
- Don't know about country and eastern, but - E-Stat 16:25:45 03/5/09 (5)
- RE: Don't know about country and eastern, but - Peter H-son 09:14:13 03/6/09 (4)
- RE: Don't know about country and eastern, but - morricab 16:48:10 03/9/09 (3)
- RE: Don't know about country and eastern, but - Peter H-son 17:24:59 03/9/09 (2)
- RE: Don't know about country and eastern, but - morricab 05:12:06 03/10/09 (1)
- RE: Don't know about country and eastern, but - Peter H-son 09:21:01 03/10/09 (0)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - Todd Krieger 12:56:12 03/5/09 (10)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - Peter H-son 13:05:49 03/5/09 (9)
- Muddy Waters...that's classic American music...(nt) - mkuller 13:50:08 03/5/09 (4)
- How do you feel about Blixa Bargeld? - kerr 13:52:55 03/5/09 (3)
- Personally, I'd take the washing machine but consider... - mkuller 13:57:31 03/5/09 (2)
- Don't knock washing machines - kerr 09:20:34 03/6/09 (1)
- I gues that's not much worse than a Phil Collins programmed electronic drum machine...(nt) - mkuller 14:29:04 03/6/09 (0)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - Todd Krieger 13:27:55 03/5/09 (3)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - Peter H-son 13:50:49 03/5/09 (2)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - Todd Krieger 15:06:40 03/5/09 (1)
- RE: That's a Cop-Out........ - Peter H-son 08:44:38 03/6/09 (0)
- Alrighty then! -nt - E-Stat 09:34:07 03/5/09 (0)
- I never had a mentor, per se (long)... - mkuller 21:32:38 03/4/09 (1)
- Great summary! - E-Stat 08:03:50 03/5/09 (0)
- RE: Survey question concerning training - Todd Krieger 19:46:30 03/4/09 (0)
Follow Ups
- Observational / Descriptional? Problems - stellavox 03/6/0904:26:58 03/6/09 (2)
- The Context of "Training"....... - Todd Krieger 22:31:07 03/6/09 (0)
- When you're done with those CDs.... - mkuller 09:30:52 03/6/09 (0)