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Topic - What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - thetubeguy1954 12:00:16 03/13/08 (176)

RE: What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - Brian Cheney 19:56:59 03/15/08 (15)

Brain What's Your Thoughts On This? - thetubeguy1954 09:54:04 03/16/08 (14)

RE: Brain What's Your Thoughts On This? - Brian Cheney 10:29:15 03/16/08 (13)

What does Pinky think? (nt) - AJinFLA 16:07:05 03/16/08 (12)

NARF! - Bruce Kendall 10:38:44 03/17/08 (11)

RE: NARF! - thetubeguy1954 11:51:45 03/17/08 (10)

Well, Pinky is one of my favorite cartoon characters. - Bruce Kendall 12:16:21 03/17/08 (9)

"Normal," no: usual, yes. (nt) - robert young 13:22:38 03/17/08 (8)

Sadly It's Normal For The Tampa Weiner (nt) - thetubeguy1954 13:34:03 03/17/08 (7)

So let me guess. It's only the subjectivists doing the Hokey-Pokey. - Bruce Kendall 15:09:35 03/17/08 (6)

RE: So let me guess. It's only the subjectivists doing the Hokey-Pokey. - thetubeguy1954 07:20:01 03/18/08 (0)

Please provide proof of your extraordinary Hokey-Pokey ability - kerr 17:13:28 03/17/08 (4)

I would, but some people believe that all - Bruce Kendall 10:43:20 03/18/08 (3)

RE: I would, but some people believe that all - kerr 10:59:11 03/18/08 (2)

If I tried it with someone else's shoes - Bruce Kendall 11:28:37 03/18/08 (1)

Begone, and don't return until you have DBT results! :) (nt) - kerr 12:16:04 03/18/08 (0)

Y'all may pull off my audio epaulettes and break my sword, but... - Enophile 23:23:26 03/14/08 (0)

That they cannot now, and likely never will, make up for 2nd rate recordings (nt) - Presto 23:02:05 03/14/08 (0)

All we need is a good reverse microphone capable of sending waves back as received by the mic. - Norm 18:36:01 03/14/08 (0)

Well, if yer talking about "audiophile" speakers . . . - markrohr 14:47:03 03/14/08 (2)

RE: Well, if yer talking about "audiophile" speakers . . . - thetubeguy1954 12:10:23 03/17/08 (0)

I hear it often if it don't often sound like dog poop or painful it ain't accurate! - Don T 20:59:10 03/14/08 (0)

What are The Biggest Problems With Speakers Today? - tomservo 12:01:52 03/14/08 (3)

RE: What are The Biggest Problems With Speakers Today? - AJinFLA 16:17:22 03/16/08 (0)

"A gloomy list" indeed! And you didn't even mention "the crossover catastrophe". nt - clarkjohnsen 10:15:09 03/15/08 (1)

Gloomy for sure from the consumers perspective. - Ugly 14:38:49 03/15/08 (0)

They mostly are phase incoherencers! Why has no one mentioned this? - clarkjohnsen 09:25:51 03/14/08 (42)

Offering 1st order acoustic designs as a panacea.... - Presto 11:45:17 03/18/08 (1)

"All speakers are wrong." Now there's a truism! But the point I was making... - clarkjohnsen 09:56:49 03/19/08 (0)

Because most people don't listen to headphones - AJinFLA 15:33:19 03/16/08 (6)

You sure of that ? - E-Stat 15:44:08 03/16/08 (5)

I suspect if Clark had one of those - AJinFLA 16:04:43 03/16/08 (4)

So... - E-Stat 17:03:43 03/16/08 (3)

RE: So... - AJinFLA 18:54:39 03/17/08 (2)

Finally - E-Stat 14:51:06 03/18/08 (0)

By all means - E-Stat 19:34:07 03/17/08 (0)

The only speakers that have given me an 'out-of-body' experience - Al Sekela 12:00:44 03/16/08 (5)

Beveridge Model 2s? - AJinFLA 15:58:38 03/16/08 (3)

I've heard them, too... - mkuller 11:30:56 03/17/08 (2)

RE: I've heard them, too... - c1ferrari 22:43:53 03/21/08 (0)

RE: I've heard them, too... - thetubeguy1954 11:56:10 03/17/08 (0)

I have heard them! But at a dealer's where nothing sounded particularly good [sigh]. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:16:32 03/16/08 (0)

RE: They mostly are phase incoherencers! Why has no one mentioned this? - morricab 17:27:39 03/15/08 (0)

RE: Why has no one mentioned this? - unclestu52 11:51:51 03/14/08 (14)

Why has no one mentioned this? Maybe because... - KlausR. 23:13:08 03/14/08 (13)

RE: Why has no one mentioned this? Maybe because... - unclestu52 23:32:58 03/14/08 (12)

RE: Why has no one mentioned this? Maybe because... - KlausR. 06:34:15 03/15/08 (11)

It would seem - unclestu52 20:03:58 03/15/08 (10)

What would you think these speakers cost? - KlausR. 00:05:21 03/16/08 (9)

RE: What would you think these speakers cost? - morricab 01:09:20 03/18/08 (4)

The in-room response is actually quite bad too! - KlausR. 01:35:23 03/18/08 (3)

RE: The in-room response is actually quite bad too! - morricab 08:41:32 03/18/08 (2)

On-axis measurements - KlausR. 03:18:51 03/19/08 (1)

RE: On-axis measurements - morricab 09:40:42 03/19/08 (0)

RE: What would you think these speakers cost? - unclestu52 00:53:07 03/16/08 (3)

RE: What would you think these speakers cost? - KlausR. 08:25:09 03/16/08 (2)

Some thoughts - unclestu52 13:14:51 03/17/08 (1)

RE: Some thoughts - KlausR. 23:21:04 03/22/08 (0)

Good point ... and "ersatz spaciness" is a phrase that would describe how dipole speakers often sound to me - Richard BassNut Greene 09:44:02 03/14/08 (10)

If you don't mind me asking - AJinFLA 16:42:09 03/16/08 (9)

I don't mind anyone asking anything - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:47 03/17/08 (7)

You were supposed to go berserk. Are you getting rational on me? - AJinFLA 18:32:08 03/17/08 (0)

"My hearing rolls off above 12kHz these days" - why then do you feel compelled ... - carcass93 11:40:21 03/17/08 (2)

My comments on wires only concern the FACT that no one can EVER prove to witnesses they sound different - Richard BassNut Greene 07:55:20 03/18/08 (0)

Touche (NT) - thetubeguy1954 12:13:14 03/17/08 (0)

That Is The Weiner's Trademark Richard - thetubeguy1954 10:16:54 03/17/08 (2)

"Welcome to the club Richard." - Richard BassNut Greene 07:44:10 03/18/08 (1)

RE: "Welcome to the club Richard." - thetubeguy1954 09:19:20 03/18/08 (0)

RE: I was born in the late 60's. - rick_m 18:21:07 03/16/08 (0)

The bass. (1) Weak under 50Hz. and/or (2) high harmonic distortion and/or Very Uneven due to room acoustics - Richard BassNut Greene 07:43:58 03/14/08 (10)

It depends on what music one is listening. - cheap-Jack 09:00:53 03/14/08 (5)

If you listen to classicial music. You need a sub. - GTF 19:00:01 03/17/08 (0)

The boom boom comes from the room not from the subwoofer - Richard BassNut Greene 09:26:39 03/14/08 (3)

*Amazing occurrence not likely to be repeated* - E-Stat 14:08:40 03/14/08 (2)

RE: *Amazing occurrence not likely to be repeated* - Richard BassNut Greene 09:33:37 03/17/08 (1)

See - E-Stat 09:53:46 03/17/08 (0)

Audibility of room modes... - KlausR. 08:39:16 03/14/08 (3)

get a bass guitar in the room and go up and down the scale - Richard BassNut Greene 10:18:42 03/14/08 (2)

Best thrown in the towel,... - bjh 08:45:34 03/15/08 (0)

RE: get a bass guitar in the room and go up and down the scale - KlausR. 08:01:21 03/15/08 (0)

RE: What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - KlausR. 07:06:19 03/14/08 (0)

RE: What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - andy19191 01:57:33 03/14/08 (28)

Focus on a single parameter - E-Stat 14:39:58 03/14/08 (0)

Those that responded to you are obviously quite insensitive. - bjh 10:58:11 03/14/08 (0)

Once again... - mkuller 10:34:25 03/14/08 (5)

RE: Once again... - andy19191 12:59:31 03/15/08 (4)

So, Mike - E-Stat 13:15:32 03/15/08 (3)

A classic circular argument... - robert young 14:43:23 03/15/08 (2)

He's a clown - you should see his nose and shoes! (nt) - mkuller 10:05:00 03/17/08 (0)

Enrage? - E-Stat 12:27:13 03/16/08 (0)

Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - Don T 06:44:29 03/14/08 (4)

RE: Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - andy19191 11:54:14 03/14/08 (3)

RE: Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - Don T 14:02:45 03/14/08 (2)

RE: Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - andy19191 12:51:25 03/15/08 (1)

Indeed! - Don T 08:28:47 03/16/08 (0)

On what experience are you basing your generalization? - robert young 04:52:21 03/14/08 (14)

RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - andy19191 11:37:47 03/14/08 (9)

This is hilarious... - mkuller 10:11:50 03/17/08 (0)

Sorry it took so long to reply. I just spit up my lunch laughing. - robert young 12:48:03 03/15/08 (4)

RE: Sorry it took so long to reply. I just spit up my lunch laughing. - andy19191 13:38:07 03/15/08 (3)

Here's a little help. - robert young 13:50:36 03/15/08 (2)

RE: Here's a little help. - andy19191 14:08:04 03/15/08 (1)

It is a bit baffling - robert young 14:42:05 03/15/08 (0)

RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - Don T 12:01:53 03/14/08 (2)

RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - andy19191 12:46:38 03/15/08 (1)

RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - Don T 08:42:07 03/16/08 (0)

RE: Carnegie Hall doesn't measure flat - KlausR. 06:31:46 03/14/08 (3)

You appear to have missed the point. - robert young 06:34:26 03/14/08 (2)

Then explain (nt) - KlausR. 06:39:25 03/14/08 (1)

Shall I poour you some coffee, as well, sir? - robert young 06:41:26 03/14/08 (0)

As soon as someone figures out how to make an all Plasma speaker - morricab 01:27:44 03/14/08 (51)

About a decade ago - unclestu52 14:17:42 03/17/08 (0)

Funny story about Nelson Pass and his plasma speakers - andy_c 11:58:34 03/17/08 (1)

RE: Funny story about Nelson Pass and his plasma speakers - morricab 13:10:06 03/17/08 (0)

This Is Very Close To My Opinion On This Issue. - thetubeguy1954 09:35:20 03/14/08 (47)

RE: This Is Very Close To My Opinion On This Issue. - andy19191 12:11:48 03/14/08 (46)

RE: This Is Very Close To My Opinion On This Issue. - morricab 16:34:47 03/15/08 (0)

In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - thetubeguy1954 09:35:37 03/15/08 (44)

RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - andy19191 12:34:33 03/15/08 (19)

I Still Believe In Actuality You're Wrong & Here's Why! - thetubeguy1954 11:04:12 03/16/08 (15)

RE: I Still Believe In Actuality You're Wrong & Here's Why! - andy19191 13:13:33 03/16/08 (14)

There's A Difference Between What Happens In Reality Andy - thetubeguy1954 07:26:38 03/17/08 (7)

RE: There's A Difference Between What Happens In Reality Andy - andy19191 08:45:55 03/17/08 (6)

Are You Really This Dense? - thetubeguy1954 11:12:44 03/17/08 (5)

RE: Are You Really This Dense? - andy19191 12:32:59 03/17/08 (4)

RE: Are You Really This Dense? - thetubeguy1954 13:32:53 03/17/08 (3)

RE: Are You Really This Dense? - andy19191 14:44:06 03/17/08 (2)

Andy Doesn't Really Want To Discuss Audio Instead He's Using AA Members As "Guinea Pigs" To Study! - thetubeguy1954 08:54:56 03/18/08 (0)

Continuing to provoke will only result in a rational outburst - AJinFLA 17:48:28 03/17/08 (0)

Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - AJinFLA 14:56:49 03/16/08 (5)

RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - andy19191 15:40:34 03/16/08 (4)

RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - thetubeguy1954 07:42:32 03/17/08 (2)

RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - andy19191 09:11:21 03/17/08 (1)

RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - thetubeguy1954 11:46:20 03/17/08 (0)

RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - AJinFLA 17:32:15 03/16/08 (0)

RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - morricab 16:42:23 03/15/08 (2)

RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - andy19191 13:36:20 03/16/08 (1)

RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - morricab 13:13:32 03/17/08 (0)

F=MA - rick_m 10:55:25 03/15/08 (23)

RE: F=MA - thetubeguy1954 08:05:18 03/17/08 (2)

RE: F=MA - rick_m 10:29:31 03/17/08 (1)

RE: F=MA - thetubeguy1954 13:10:03 03/17/08 (0)

RE: F=MA - morricab 16:44:11 03/15/08 (19)

Plasma has mass. ????? - Ugly 21:59:55 03/15/08 (18)

RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 04:50:22 03/16/08 (17)

RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - Ugly 09:04:50 03/16/08 (16)

RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 11:33:52 03/16/08 (15)

RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - Ugly 11:53:45 03/16/08 (14)

RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 09:00:30 03/17/08 (0)

How do they work? - rick_m 13:04:27 03/16/08 (12)

RE: How do they work? - morricab 09:05:39 03/17/08 (1)

RE: How do they work? - rick_m 10:38:14 03/17/08 (0)

RE: How do they work? - Ugly 14:34:57 03/16/08 (9)

Two Different DIY Plasma Tweeters - thetubeguy1954 10:03:34 03/17/08 (0)

Wow, a real flame... - rick_m 15:41:33 03/16/08 (7)

RE: Wow, a real flame... - morricab 09:08:38 03/17/08 (0)

You have to understand - AJinFLA 17:45:19 03/16/08 (5)

RE: You have to understand - morricab 09:12:01 03/17/08 (4)

RE: You have to understand - AJinFLA 17:42:28 03/17/08 (3)

RE: You have to understand - morricab 01:14:52 03/18/08 (2)

RE: You have to understand - AJinFLA 18:13:16 03/23/08 (1)

RE: You have to understand - morricab 02:15:59 03/26/08 (0)

Inherently flawed but necessary. - soulfood 19:46:47 03/13/08 (0)

The fact that stereo only supports two of them. - Don T 18:28:40 03/13/08 (0)

Three things... - mkuller 14:15:45 03/13/08 (7)

Naturally, given my priorities - E-Stat 16:03:19 03/13/08 (6)

RE: Naturally, given my priorities - morricab 01:29:54 03/14/08 (5)

Subjectivist incoherence - AJinFLA 03/16/0815:26:39 03/16/08 (3)

RE: Subjectivist incoherence - morricab 09:32:27 03/17/08 (2)

RE: Subjectivist incoherence - AJinFLA 17:32:24 03/17/08 (1)

RE: Subjectivist incoherence - morricab 01:33:11 03/18/08 (0)

Exactly - E-Stat 07:00:14 03/14/08 (0)

here's a shot at an answer... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 12:52:16 03/13/08 (0)

here's a shot at an answer... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 12:51:03 03/13/08 (1)

RE: here's a shot at an answer... - Halcroman 20:31:10 03/13/08 (0)

For me it's the listener - Craiger56 12:37:28 03/13/08 (0)

Follow Ups

Subjectivist incoherence - AJinFLA 03/16/0815:26:39 03/16/08 (3)

RE: Subjectivist incoherence - morricab 09:32:27 03/17/08 (2)

RE: Subjectivist incoherence - AJinFLA 17:32:24 03/17/08 (1)

RE: Subjectivist incoherence - morricab 01:33:11 03/18/08 (0)

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