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In Reply to: RE: Plasma has mass. ????? posted by Ugly on March 16, 2008 at 09:04:50:
No I am not mad, sorry if it came across that way. I see the point you are driving at now and I would tend to agree with you. My point was that it is much lower mass than any other kind of driver so this is a good thing. Also, since it has essentially no structure it has essentially no resonance either. You are right about the coupling but also I have noticed that the majority of the plasma drivers are horn loaded, which can color the sound and is obviously necessary to achieve an adequate sensitivity.
Have you heard speakers with ion tweeters? When driven with really good tube gear the highs are simply the best you will have ever heard.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - thetubeguy1954 12:00:16 03/13/08 (176)
- RE: What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - Brian Cheney 19:56:59 03/15/08 (15)
- Brain What's Your Thoughts On This? - thetubeguy1954 09:54:04 03/16/08 (14)
- RE: Brain What's Your Thoughts On This? - Brian Cheney 10:29:15 03/16/08 (13)
- What does Pinky think? (nt) - AJinFLA 16:07:05 03/16/08 (12)
- NARF! - Bruce Kendall 10:38:44 03/17/08 (11)
- RE: NARF! - thetubeguy1954 11:51:45 03/17/08 (10)
- Well, Pinky is one of my favorite cartoon characters. - Bruce Kendall 12:16:21 03/17/08 (9)
- "Normal," no: usual, yes. (nt) - robert young 13:22:38 03/17/08 (8)
- Sadly It's Normal For The Tampa Weiner (nt) - thetubeguy1954 13:34:03 03/17/08 (7)
- So let me guess. It's only the subjectivists doing the Hokey-Pokey. - Bruce Kendall 15:09:35 03/17/08 (6)
- RE: So let me guess. It's only the subjectivists doing the Hokey-Pokey. - thetubeguy1954 07:20:01 03/18/08 (0)
- Please provide proof of your extraordinary Hokey-Pokey ability - kerr 17:13:28 03/17/08 (4)
- I would, but some people believe that all - Bruce Kendall 10:43:20 03/18/08 (3)
- RE: I would, but some people believe that all - kerr 10:59:11 03/18/08 (2)
- If I tried it with someone else's shoes - Bruce Kendall 11:28:37 03/18/08 (1)
- Begone, and don't return until you have DBT results! :) (nt) - kerr 12:16:04 03/18/08 (0)
- Y'all may pull off my audio epaulettes and break my sword, but... - Enophile 23:23:26 03/14/08 (0)
- That they cannot now, and likely never will, make up for 2nd rate recordings (nt) - Presto 23:02:05 03/14/08 (0)
- All we need is a good reverse microphone capable of sending waves back as received by the mic. - Norm 18:36:01 03/14/08 (0)
- Well, if yer talking about "audiophile" speakers . . . - markrohr 14:47:03 03/14/08 (2)
- RE: Well, if yer talking about "audiophile" speakers . . . - thetubeguy1954 12:10:23 03/17/08 (0)
- I hear it often if it don't often sound like dog poop or painful it ain't accurate! - Don T 20:59:10 03/14/08 (0)
- What are The Biggest Problems With Speakers Today? - tomservo 12:01:52 03/14/08 (3)
- RE: What are The Biggest Problems With Speakers Today? - AJinFLA 16:17:22 03/16/08 (0)
- "A gloomy list" indeed! And you didn't even mention "the crossover catastrophe". nt - clarkjohnsen 10:15:09 03/15/08 (1)
- Gloomy for sure from the consumers perspective. - Ugly 14:38:49 03/15/08 (0)
- They mostly are phase incoherencers! Why has no one mentioned this? - clarkjohnsen 09:25:51 03/14/08 (42)
- Offering 1st order acoustic designs as a panacea.... - Presto 11:45:17 03/18/08 (1)
- "All speakers are wrong." Now there's a truism! But the point I was making... - clarkjohnsen 09:56:49 03/19/08 (0)
- Because most people don't listen to headphones - AJinFLA 15:33:19 03/16/08 (6)
- You sure of that ? - E-Stat 15:44:08 03/16/08 (5)
- I suspect if Clark had one of those - AJinFLA 16:04:43 03/16/08 (4)
- So... - E-Stat 17:03:43 03/16/08 (3)
- RE: So... - AJinFLA 18:54:39 03/17/08 (2)
- Finally - E-Stat 14:51:06 03/18/08 (0)
- By all means - E-Stat 19:34:07 03/17/08 (0)
- The only speakers that have given me an 'out-of-body' experience - Al Sekela 12:00:44 03/16/08 (5)
- Beveridge Model 2s? - AJinFLA 15:58:38 03/16/08 (3)
- I've heard them, too... - mkuller 11:30:56 03/17/08 (2)
- RE: I've heard them, too... - c1ferrari 22:43:53 03/21/08 (0)
- RE: I've heard them, too... - thetubeguy1954 11:56:10 03/17/08 (0)
- I have heard them! But at a dealer's where nothing sounded particularly good [sigh]. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:16:32 03/16/08 (0)
- RE: They mostly are phase incoherencers! Why has no one mentioned this? - morricab 17:27:39 03/15/08 (0)
- RE: Why has no one mentioned this? - unclestu52 11:51:51 03/14/08 (14)
- Why has no one mentioned this? Maybe because... - KlausR. 23:13:08 03/14/08 (13)
- RE: Why has no one mentioned this? Maybe because... - unclestu52 23:32:58 03/14/08 (12)
- RE: Why has no one mentioned this? Maybe because... - KlausR. 06:34:15 03/15/08 (11)
- It would seem - unclestu52 20:03:58 03/15/08 (10)
- What would you think these speakers cost? - KlausR. 00:05:21 03/16/08 (9)
- RE: What would you think these speakers cost? - morricab 01:09:20 03/18/08 (4)
- The in-room response is actually quite bad too! - KlausR. 01:35:23 03/18/08 (3)
- RE: The in-room response is actually quite bad too! - morricab 08:41:32 03/18/08 (2)
- On-axis measurements - KlausR. 03:18:51 03/19/08 (1)
- RE: On-axis measurements - morricab 09:40:42 03/19/08 (0)
- RE: What would you think these speakers cost? - unclestu52 00:53:07 03/16/08 (3)
- RE: What would you think these speakers cost? - KlausR. 08:25:09 03/16/08 (2)
- Some thoughts - unclestu52 13:14:51 03/17/08 (1)
- RE: Some thoughts - KlausR. 23:21:04 03/22/08 (0)
- Good point ... and "ersatz spaciness" is a phrase that would describe how dipole speakers often sound to me - Richard BassNut Greene 09:44:02 03/14/08 (10)
- If you don't mind me asking - AJinFLA 16:42:09 03/16/08 (9)
- I don't mind anyone asking anything - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:47 03/17/08 (7)
- You were supposed to go berserk. Are you getting rational on me? - AJinFLA 18:32:08 03/17/08 (0)
- "My hearing rolls off above 12kHz these days" - why then do you feel compelled ... - carcass93 11:40:21 03/17/08 (2)
- My comments on wires only concern the FACT that no one can EVER prove to witnesses they sound different - Richard BassNut Greene 07:55:20 03/18/08 (0)
- Touche (NT) - thetubeguy1954 12:13:14 03/17/08 (0)
- That Is The Weiner's Trademark Richard - thetubeguy1954 10:16:54 03/17/08 (2)
- "Welcome to the club Richard." - Richard BassNut Greene 07:44:10 03/18/08 (1)
- RE: "Welcome to the club Richard." - thetubeguy1954 09:19:20 03/18/08 (0)
- RE: I was born in the late 60's. - rick_m 18:21:07 03/16/08 (0)
- The bass. (1) Weak under 50Hz. and/or (2) high harmonic distortion and/or Very Uneven due to room acoustics - Richard BassNut Greene 07:43:58 03/14/08 (10)
- It depends on what music one is listening. - cheap-Jack 09:00:53 03/14/08 (5)
- If you listen to classicial music. You need a sub. - GTF 19:00:01 03/17/08 (0)
- The boom boom comes from the room not from the subwoofer - Richard BassNut Greene 09:26:39 03/14/08 (3)
- *Amazing occurrence not likely to be repeated* - E-Stat 14:08:40 03/14/08 (2)
- RE: *Amazing occurrence not likely to be repeated* - Richard BassNut Greene 09:33:37 03/17/08 (1)
- See - E-Stat 09:53:46 03/17/08 (0)
- Audibility of room modes... - KlausR. 08:39:16 03/14/08 (3)
- get a bass guitar in the room and go up and down the scale - Richard BassNut Greene 10:18:42 03/14/08 (2)
- Best thrown in the towel,... - bjh 08:45:34 03/15/08 (0)
- RE: get a bass guitar in the room and go up and down the scale - KlausR. 08:01:21 03/15/08 (0)
- RE: What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - KlausR. 07:06:19 03/14/08 (0)
- RE: What Is The Biggest Problem With Speakers Today? - andy19191 01:57:33 03/14/08 (28)
- Focus on a single parameter - E-Stat 14:39:58 03/14/08 (0)
- Those that responded to you are obviously quite insensitive. - bjh 10:58:11 03/14/08 (0)
- Once again... - mkuller 10:34:25 03/14/08 (5)
- RE: Once again... - andy19191 12:59:31 03/15/08 (4)
- So, Mike - E-Stat 13:15:32 03/15/08 (3)
- A classic circular argument... - robert young 14:43:23 03/15/08 (2)
- He's a clown - you should see his nose and shoes! (nt) - mkuller 10:05:00 03/17/08 (0)
- Enrage? - E-Stat 12:27:13 03/16/08 (0)
- Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - Don T 06:44:29 03/14/08 (4)
- RE: Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - andy19191 11:54:14 03/14/08 (3)
- RE: Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - Don T 14:02:45 03/14/08 (2)
- RE: Too many words to say that accuracy isn't actually that important - andy19191 12:51:25 03/15/08 (1)
- Indeed! - Don T 08:28:47 03/16/08 (0)
- On what experience are you basing your generalization? - robert young 04:52:21 03/14/08 (14)
- RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - andy19191 11:37:47 03/14/08 (9)
- This is hilarious... - mkuller 10:11:50 03/17/08 (0)
- Sorry it took so long to reply. I just spit up my lunch laughing. - robert young 12:48:03 03/15/08 (4)
- RE: Sorry it took so long to reply. I just spit up my lunch laughing. - andy19191 13:38:07 03/15/08 (3)
- Here's a little help. - robert young 13:50:36 03/15/08 (2)
- RE: Here's a little help. - andy19191 14:08:04 03/15/08 (1)
- It is a bit baffling - robert young 14:42:05 03/15/08 (0)
- RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - Don T 12:01:53 03/14/08 (2)
- RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - andy19191 12:46:38 03/15/08 (1)
- RE: On what experience are you basing your generalization? - Don T 08:42:07 03/16/08 (0)
- RE: Carnegie Hall doesn't measure flat - KlausR. 06:31:46 03/14/08 (3)
- You appear to have missed the point. - robert young 06:34:26 03/14/08 (2)
- Then explain (nt) - KlausR. 06:39:25 03/14/08 (1)
- Shall I poour you some coffee, as well, sir? - robert young 06:41:26 03/14/08 (0)
- As soon as someone figures out how to make an all Plasma speaker - morricab 01:27:44 03/14/08 (51)
- About a decade ago - unclestu52 14:17:42 03/17/08 (0)
- Funny story about Nelson Pass and his plasma speakers - andy_c 11:58:34 03/17/08 (1)
- RE: Funny story about Nelson Pass and his plasma speakers - morricab 13:10:06 03/17/08 (0)
- This Is Very Close To My Opinion On This Issue. - thetubeguy1954 09:35:20 03/14/08 (47)
- RE: This Is Very Close To My Opinion On This Issue. - andy19191 12:11:48 03/14/08 (46)
- RE: This Is Very Close To My Opinion On This Issue. - morricab 16:34:47 03/15/08 (0)
- In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - thetubeguy1954 09:35:37 03/15/08 (44)
- RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - andy19191 12:34:33 03/15/08 (19)
- I Still Believe In Actuality You're Wrong & Here's Why! - thetubeguy1954 11:04:12 03/16/08 (15)
- RE: I Still Believe In Actuality You're Wrong & Here's Why! - andy19191 13:13:33 03/16/08 (14)
- There's A Difference Between What Happens In Reality Andy - thetubeguy1954 07:26:38 03/17/08 (7)
- RE: There's A Difference Between What Happens In Reality Andy - andy19191 08:45:55 03/17/08 (6)
- Are You Really This Dense? - thetubeguy1954 11:12:44 03/17/08 (5)
- RE: Are You Really This Dense? - andy19191 12:32:59 03/17/08 (4)
- RE: Are You Really This Dense? - thetubeguy1954 13:32:53 03/17/08 (3)
- RE: Are You Really This Dense? - andy19191 14:44:06 03/17/08 (2)
- Andy Doesn't Really Want To Discuss Audio Instead He's Using AA Members As "Guinea Pigs" To Study! - thetubeguy1954 08:54:56 03/18/08 (0)
- Continuing to provoke will only result in a rational outburst - AJinFLA 17:48:28 03/17/08 (0)
- Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - AJinFLA 14:56:49 03/16/08 (5)
- RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - andy19191 15:40:34 03/16/08 (4)
- RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - thetubeguy1954 07:42:32 03/17/08 (2)
- RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - andy19191 09:11:21 03/17/08 (1)
- RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - thetubeguy1954 11:46:20 03/17/08 (0)
- RE: Sure Andy. Keep prodding until the Rational Subjectivist goes berserk - AJinFLA 17:32:15 03/16/08 (0)
- RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - morricab 16:42:23 03/15/08 (2)
- RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - andy19191 13:36:20 03/16/08 (1)
- RE: In Theory You're Correct, But In Actuality You're Wrong! - morricab 13:13:32 03/17/08 (0)
- F=MA - rick_m 10:55:25 03/15/08 (23)
- RE: F=MA - thetubeguy1954 08:05:18 03/17/08 (2)
- RE: F=MA - morricab 16:44:11 03/15/08 (19)
- Plasma has mass. ????? - Ugly 21:59:55 03/15/08 (18)
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 04:50:22 03/16/08 (17)
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - Ugly 09:04:50 03/16/08 (16)
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 03/16/0811:33:52 03/16/08 (15)
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - Ugly 11:53:45 03/16/08 (14)
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 09:00:30 03/17/08 (0)
- How do they work? - rick_m 13:04:27 03/16/08 (12)
- RE: How do they work? - morricab 09:05:39 03/17/08 (1)
- RE: How do they work? - rick_m 10:38:14 03/17/08 (0)
- RE: How do they work? - Ugly 14:34:57 03/16/08 (9)
- Two Different DIY Plasma Tweeters - thetubeguy1954 10:03:34 03/17/08 (0)
- Wow, a real flame... - rick_m 15:41:33 03/16/08 (7)
- RE: Wow, a real flame... - morricab 09:08:38 03/17/08 (0)
- You have to understand - AJinFLA 17:45:19 03/16/08 (5)
- RE: You have to understand - morricab 09:12:01 03/17/08 (4)
- RE: You have to understand - AJinFLA 17:42:28 03/17/08 (3)
- RE: You have to understand - morricab 01:14:52 03/18/08 (2)
- RE: You have to understand - AJinFLA 18:13:16 03/23/08 (1)
- RE: You have to understand - morricab 02:15:59 03/26/08 (0)
- Inherently flawed but necessary. - soulfood 19:46:47 03/13/08 (0)
- The fact that stereo only supports two of them. - Don T 18:28:40 03/13/08 (0)
- Three things... - mkuller 14:15:45 03/13/08 (7)
- Naturally, given my priorities - E-Stat 16:03:19 03/13/08 (6)
- RE: Naturally, given my priorities - morricab 01:29:54 03/14/08 (5)
- Subjectivist incoherence - AJinFLA 15:26:39 03/16/08 (3)
- RE: Subjectivist incoherence - morricab 09:32:27 03/17/08 (2)
- RE: Subjectivist incoherence - AJinFLA 17:32:24 03/17/08 (1)
- RE: Subjectivist incoherence - morricab 01:33:11 03/18/08 (0)
- Exactly - E-Stat 07:00:14 03/14/08 (0)
- here's a shot at an answer... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 12:52:16 03/13/08 (0)
- here's a shot at an answer... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 12:51:03 03/13/08 (1)
- RE: here's a shot at an answer... - Halcroman 20:31:10 03/13/08 (0)
- For me it's the listener - Craiger56 12:37:28 03/13/08 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 03/16/0811:33:52 03/16/08 (15)
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - Ugly 11:53:45 03/16/08 (14)
- RE: Plasma has mass. ????? - morricab 09:00:30 03/17/08 (0)
- How do they work? - rick_m 13:04:27 03/16/08 (12)
- RE: How do they work? - morricab 09:05:39 03/17/08 (1)
- RE: How do they work? - rick_m 10:38:14 03/17/08 (0)
- RE: How do they work? - Ugly 14:34:57 03/16/08 (9)
- Two Different DIY Plasma Tweeters - thetubeguy1954 10:03:34 03/17/08 (0)
- Wow, a real flame... - rick_m 15:41:33 03/16/08 (7)
- RE: Wow, a real flame... - morricab 09:08:38 03/17/08 (0)
- You have to understand - AJinFLA 17:45:19 03/16/08 (5)
- RE: You have to understand - morricab 09:12:01 03/17/08 (4)
- RE: You have to understand - AJinFLA 17:42:28 03/17/08 (3)
- RE: You have to understand - morricab 01:14:52 03/18/08 (2)
- RE: You have to understand - AJinFLA 18:13:16 03/23/08 (1)
- RE: You have to understand - morricab 02:15:59 03/26/08 (0)