In Reply to: Convenient assumption posted by E-Stat on September 14, 2007 at 06:33:53:
1. SACD/DVD-A releases generally sound much better than their CD counterparts.
2. Assuming that the releases come from the same "master tapes", the difference can occur for only two reasons:
a) the mastering of the high res release is changed compared to the CD
b) the high res releases inherently capture more detail (when the mastering is modified to handle the additional detail but is otherwise held constant).
3. *If* you believe that the BAS DBT yielded an obviously meaningful result, then b) is not possible - the effect of higher resolution, when studied in isolation, cannot explain the large difference in sound quality. And even if you don't believe it, the fact that so many supposed audiophiles couldn't tell a difference still casts b) into question. Such an apparantly subtle effect, if it managed to be missed in a DBT, still cannot explain the large quality difference.
4. Therefore, the difference in sound quality between SACD/DVD-A is due to improved mastering, because it cannot be due to increased resolution.
Furthermore, changes in mastering have been known to yield considerable improvements in sound quality, in the same format.
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Follow Ups
- you got me. I need to retake logic 101. Round 3: - Axon 09/14/0708:14:16 09/14/07 (50)
- With any kind of test - E-Stat 08:36:48 09/14/07 (49)
- you're really struggling here - truthseekerprime 07:01:48 09/16/07 (48)
- "Demonstrated that FOR THE SAME RECORDING reducing the resolution did not have an audible effect." NO! - clarkjohnsen 10:49:26 09/17/07 (34)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:24:25 09/21/07 (33)
- "A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - clarkjohnsen 08:42:46 09/22/07 (32)
- RE: "Memory Player that produces a sonic result superior to any other" - tlyyra 08:49:21 09/24/07 (0)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 07:01:54 09/23/07 (19)
- "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - clarkjohnsen 08:54:32 09/24/07 (18)
- RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 14:18:08 09/24/07 (1)
- "The device we were using is a recording system, which passes a signal *through* it." Oh. - clarkjohnsen 10:13:34 09/25/07 (0)
- RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 13:53:30 09/24/07 (15)
- "It's not up to me to prove reviewers can't hear the huge differences." LOL! You made the assertion... - clarkjohnsen 09:59:20 09/25/07 (8)
- Still bullshitting? - tlyyra 10:21:25 09/26/07 (2)
- I be happy you continue to delude yourself. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate guy. - clarkjohnsen 11:22:48 09/28/07 (1)
- Done that - tlyyra 10:05:26 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: "It's not up to me, etc." - EBradMeyer 11:28:48 09/25/07 (4)
- "They're... way to risky for you." Oh geez, puh-leeze. - clarkjohnsen 09:16:22 09/26/07 (0)
- You're correct - it has been demonstrated. Don't bother arguing with him; it's an utter waste of time. /nt - truthseekerprime 20:01:22 09/25/07 (2)
- "It has been demonstrated" all right... that it's "a crock". That's if you pay any attention to... - clarkjohnsen 09:24:08 09/26/07 (0)
- RE: You're correct etc. - EBradMeyer 07:32:26 09/26/07 (0)
- Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - Axon 22:32:57 09/24/07 (5)
- RE: Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - EBradMeyer 01:33:16 09/25/07 (4)
- You underestimate the thickness of my skull - Axon 05:52:32 09/25/07 (3)
- RE: You underestimate the thickness of my skull - EBradMeyer 11:33:53 09/25/07 (2)
- No pain, no gain! - Axon 16:54:20 09/26/07 (1)
- RE: No pain, no gain! - EBradMeyer 07:40:47 09/27/07 (0)
- RE: "A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - krabapple 16:24:39 09/22/07 (1)
- AA posts as "uncontradicted evidence" - tlyyra 03:30:22 09/23/07 (0)
- You're right Clark, but that's not the point. - rick_m 12:34:04 09/22/07 (8)
- Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - clarkjohnsen 11:09:23 09/23/07 (7)
- RE: Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - rick_m 13:09:12 09/23/07 (6)
- "They have eliminated [CD playback] as a variable," True; but then they try to tell us... - clarkjohnsen 08:26:14 09/24/07 (5)
- Having now read it... - rick_m 09:07:04 09/25/07 (1)
- "I wasn't missing much." Indeed not. Yet I got challenged for calling it a quick read! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:02:59 09/25/07 (0)
- OK,Ok,ok - rick_m 09:14:13 09/24/07 (2)
- This URL may get you to it. - clarkjohnsen 09:33:57 09/24/07 (1)
- Excellent, thanks! nt - rick_m 09:46:55 09/24/07 (0)
- Struggling for what? - E-Stat 09:11:00 09/16/07 (12)
- (See my post above.) nt - clarkjohnsen 10:50:12 09/17/07 (0)
- I guess basic reading comprehension - truthseekerprime 13:19:50 09/16/07 (10)
- So, professor - E-Stat 17:56:52 09/16/07 (9)
- "Our test results indicate that all of these recordings could be released on conventional CDs... - truthseekerprime 20:28:50 09/16/07 (8)
- Anecdotally, I think it may be true. - rick_m 10:17:47 09/20/07 (0)
- As have I - E-Stat 21:23:00 09/16/07 (6)
- RE: As have I - krabapple 09:43:44 09/20/07 (5)
- The common term for your explanation - E-Stat 09:56:29 09/20/07 (4)
- RE: The common term for your explanation - krabapple 16:19:26 09/22/07 (1)
- There is a difference - E-Stat 09:01:51 09/23/07 (0)
- A whole lot o' speculatin' goin' on in the paper too. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:42 09/22/07 (1)
- In stark contrast to your pamphlet that was so convincingly argued that you had to pay for it to get printed? - tlyyra 03:33:55 09/23/07 (0)