In Reply to: RE: Don T - do you ever wonder whether posted by Don Till on March 1, 2010 at 09:33:48:
Don - Thanks for the civil reply. So we have two technologies that are extensively derided by music fans and audiophiles:
1) Pitch correction: This technology allows singers without talent or the time and desire to work at their craft to sound OK. But at the same time it adds an electronic tinge to their sound and also robs them of their individual vocal quality and at least some of their expressivity. Now I can imagine someone arguing that anti-pitch correction people are rejecting a musical innovation and are following a long tradition of mistaken opposition to such innovations (electric guitars, women singing soprano parts, etc) - that would be an interesting discussion -- but right now, it looks like the overwhelming majority of real music fans believe that pitch correction is an awful innovation (like bad synthesizers). So saying that a recording with pitch correction sounds great is either staking out a controversial point of view (which I don't see in your posts) or indicates you haven't been sensitized to the bad effects of pitch correction. There's nothing shameful about such sensitization. I know that I am in need of sensitization to aspects of music and audio gear and readily admit I have a lot to learn.
2) Loudness compression: Another widely reviled technological development. I can't see any defense of this technology - it's a purely negative trend. If it doesn't bother one, why not? It should, like bad remasters and preamps with muddy sonics.
I have two general points:
Good audio gear should make music sound better and be more revealing but that doesn’t mean it should be making c***y studio processing techniques pleasing.
Becoming a more knowledgeable, deeper music fan doesn’t mean solely liking more and more music. It’s a combination of acquiring and discarding older tastes. I used to think “Who by Numbers” was a really good album, but I am now very much aware of how it is undercomposed and too conventional. A purely negative development? No way. I have also since fully understood why Queen’s mid-70s albums, Ella and Haydn’s quartets are examples of real artistry and inspiration. So I say take Todd’s comments on Patty Griffen and ask yourself whether you are missing some aspect to which Todd is sensitized. That's what I do when someone obviously knowledgeable criticizes a recording I like. You may come to disagree with him, which is fine. But it has nothing to do with how the rig is obscuring details of the recording and everything to do with the listener’s discernment and taste.
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- RE: Don T - do you ever wonder whether - jult52 03/10/1009:42:49 03/10/10 (1)
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