In Reply to: Really... What about high frequencies that DO exist in the recording? posted by carcass93 on September 2, 2009 at 07:50:45:
Me too. Why care if instruments extend out beyond 20khz? What matters is if such frequencies actually exist on the media and whether or not the playback system can extract them.
On most recordings, including Classical, high frequency extension does not extend beyond 14khz on vinyl. Pop music is even more limited. Of course there are exceptions. But even given the exceptions, and a vinyl media, most vinyl playback systems can't extract the information anyways.
Now having stated my disbelief in vinyl having much in the way of high frequency extension let me mention CDs. Me understanding is that brick wall filtering sounds really bad so even CDs are rolled off well below their limits as well in order to circumvent the negatives of the sharp filter roll-offs.
"Better yet - forget all that shit, and compare RBCD and hi-rez of the same recordings on a quality system. May be that will alleviate whatever issue you have with the topic at hand."
Now I'm not exactly sure what you mean by hi-rez but I can tell you for sure just because I heard more high frequency energy or extension when listening to such a release there's no reason why I should conclude it had anything to do with the media. More likely than not, differences heard, will be because of the production and not the media.
I'm not denying more extension isn't a good thing - but I am saying for all practical purposes it's a moot issues. Put it this way - I think SACD can sound much better than RBCDs. Depending on the production I may prefer a RBCD to it's vinyl counterpart on new music releases. But as an audiophile and a music lover only RBCDs and vinyl LPs make sense. SACD was a major flop and other hi-rez alternatives are simply curiosity's.
And beyond that we need to take great care when comparing media as production is much more likely to be what's influencing what we are hearing.
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- LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - Don Till 09/2/0910:09:38 09/2/09 (15)
- RE: LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - b.l.zeebub 06:52:23 09/3/09 (1)
- If you say so I believe you but... - Don Till 09:33:04 09/3/09 (0)
- Ever heard of moving coil cartridges? - Tony Lauck 14:58:59 09/2/09 (12)
- Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Don Till 09:21:21 09/3/09 (2)
- RE: Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Tony Lauck 09:36:44 09/3/09 (1)
- Two things - Don Till 13:28:44 09/4/09 (0)
- "energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - Axon 00:42:12 09/3/09 (8)
- And 100% of it would be pure distortion -nt - E-Stat 10:01:19 09/3/09 (0)
- I'm sure you're aware of difference between actual recorded content and artifacts. - carcass93 08:27:01 09/3/09 (4)
- Wow, tough crowd. - Axon 11:09:57 09/3/09 (3)
- RE: Wow, tough crowd. - Tony Lauck 12:23:02 09/3/09 (0)
- It must be persuasive - after all, it's got "BAM!" at the end. - carcass93 11:38:54 09/3/09 (1)
- Persuasive? Nah, just a poor attempt at facetiousness -nt - Axon 16:01:26 09/3/09 (0)
- RE: "energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - tomservo 07:11:02 09/3/09 (0)
- Err ???? - Werner 02:52:01 09/3/09 (0)