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In Reply to: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. posted by carcass93 on August 31, 2009 at 15:07:58:
But try 3 or 4KHz sine wave at 88dB and you'll be clamping your fingers in you ears.
Keep in mind the perspective here, there is a big difference between near excruciating and "just detectable" against a silent background.
It is so because you can detect 3-4KHz at near zero dB SPL, so here for a few to detect 24KHz at +88dB required 700,000,000,000 times louder /more acoustic power than at 3-4KHz would..
Your hearing at 24KHz is WAY down in sensitivity relative to 3-4 KHz, at the opposite end, the threshold of hearing for signals around 15Hz is also around 88dB if i recall.
Best,
Tom
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - carcass93 15:07:58 08/31/09 (109)
- Yes but........ - tomservo 09:20:58 09/3/09 (0)
- Here - some examples of instruments that produce content above 22 kHz. - carcass93 08:29:47 09/3/09 (28)
- "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 09:59:29 09/3/09 (27)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 10:26:15 09/3/09 (26)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - FenderLover 01:48:30 09/6/09 (2)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 12:16:20 09/6/09 (1)
- " During the attack, there is no such valid series, and the concepts of fundamental and harmonics... - FenderLover 04:29:16 09/7/09 (0)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 10:36:08 09/3/09 (22)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 22:09:01 09/3/09 (20)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 10:16:14 09/4/09 (8)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 01:04:43 09/5/09 (7)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 08:51:17 09/8/09 (5)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 09:45:45 09/8/09 (4)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 04:38:49 09/9/09 (0)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 01:19:52 09/9/09 (0)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 01:12:23 09/9/09 (1)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Tony Lauck 10:39:30 09/9/09 (0)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 01:21:34 09/5/09 (0)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 23:02:34 09/3/09 (10)
- Fourier transformations - FenderLover 18:21:16 09/5/09 (0)
- RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 23:22:23 09/3/09 (8)
- Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 10:27:45 09/4/09 (7)
- RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Werner 00:57:08 09/5/09 (5)
- RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 01:11:55 09/5/09 (4)
- RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Werner 01:20:48 09/5/09 (3)
- RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 01:24:08 09/5/09 (2)
- RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - rick_m 08:20:11 09/5/09 (0)
- samples - Werner 02:23:36 09/5/09 (0)
- No nails anywhere.. No use for a hammer :-) - Tony Lauck 17:23:34 09/4/09 (0)
- As either a transient burst or a filtered noise source - Axon 11:16:03 09/3/09 (0)
- RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Awe-d-o-file 06:23:28 09/2/09 (1)
- The question then becomes "Will high-frequency content at -50...-40dB enhance sound quality in any way?" - carcass93 07:37:46 09/2/09 (0)
- RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Logan 20:13:38 09/1/09 (0)
- RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - john curl 20:11:01 09/1/09 (0)
- And this relates to audio how? - Don Till 14:02:08 09/1/09 (22)
- I believe I made my point in the discussion below. N/T - carcass93 14:53:15 09/1/09 (0)
- Facts are of no importance? nt - Norm 14:07:27 09/1/09 (20)
- Depends on the facts and whatever it is we are discussing - Don Till 22:37:12 09/1/09 (19)
- Really... What about high frequencies that DO exist in the recording? - carcass93 07:50:45 09/2/09 (16)
- LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - Don Till 10:09:38 09/2/09 (15)
- RE: LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - b.l.zeebub 06:52:23 09/3/09 (1)
- If you say so I believe you but... - Don Till 09:33:04 09/3/09 (0)
- Ever heard of moving coil cartridges? - Tony Lauck 14:58:59 09/2/09 (12)
- Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Don Till 09:21:21 09/3/09 (2)
- RE: Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Tony Lauck 09:36:44 09/3/09 (1)
- Two things - Don Till 13:28:44 09/4/09 (0)
- "energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - Axon 00:42:12 09/3/09 (8)
- And 100% of it would be pure distortion -nt - E-Stat 10:01:19 09/3/09 (0)
- I'm sure you're aware of difference between actual recorded content and artifacts. - carcass93 08:27:01 09/3/09 (4)
- Wow, tough crowd. - Axon 11:09:57 09/3/09 (3)
- RE: Wow, tough crowd. - Tony Lauck 12:23:02 09/3/09 (0)
- It must be persuasive - after all, it's got "BAM!" at the end. - carcass93 11:38:54 09/3/09 (1)
- Persuasive? Nah, just a poor attempt at facetiousness -nt - Axon 16:01:26 09/3/09 (0)
- RE: "energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - tomservo 07:11:02 09/3/09 (0)
- Err ???? - Werner 02:52:01 09/3/09 (0)
- I guess I would dispute what was thought about cds, but it really doesn't matter. - Norm 06:49:17 09/2/09 (1)
- RE: I guess I would dispute what was thought about cds, but it really doesn't matter. - Don Till 10:26:42 09/2/09 (0)
- RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - tomservo 09/1/0910:16:09 09/1/09 (1)
- It's a long way from "way down in level" to "inaudible" in musical context. - carcass93 10:59:41 09/1/09 (0)
- Literature overview - KlausR. 05:16:46 09/1/09 (1)
- Thank you - excellent find! N/T - carcass93 11:12:04 09/1/09 (0)
- RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Werner 03:37:01 09/1/09 (5)
- RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Tony Lauck 09:43:01 09/1/09 (1)
- Speaking of intense HF - E-Stat 11:13:15 09/1/09 (0)
- 88 dB is limit for detection in that particular, very small and arbitrarily assembled group. - carcass93 08:04:13 09/1/09 (2)
- But you don't seem to "buy" any argument contrary to your set beliefs. - Pat D 11:14:55 09/1/09 (1)
- What evidence? Evidence of what? - carcass93 11:27:50 09/1/09 (0)
- No ties to the the "scientists"... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 16:52:36 08/31/09 (41)
- It's better than nothing - and surely better than pathetic Meyer-Moran exercise. - carcass93 17:58:25 08/31/09 (40)
- RE: It's better than nothing - and surely better than pathetic Meyer-Moran exercise. - caspian@peak.org 09:07:56 09/1/09 (0)
- It's the answer to a different question - Axon 22:12:45 08/31/09 (38)
- RE: It's the answer to a different question - Pat D 11:10:23 09/1/09 (4)
- "don't seem", "I expect" - in other words, you don't know. - carcass93 11:18:48 09/1/09 (3)
- Well, in any spectral analysis of music I've ever seen . . . - Pat D 12:48:56 09/1/09 (2)
- Are you Meyer or Moran? Or at least one of the participants, may be? - carcass93 13:09:22 09/1/09 (1)
- So, what is the matter with their equipment? - Pat D 16:48:58 09/1/09 (0)
- RE: It's the answer to a different question - Tony Lauck 09:32:22 09/1/09 (2)
- RE: It's the answer to a different question - kerr 12:43:45 09/1/09 (0)
- Cagey response! -nt - E-Stat 11:09:09 09/1/09 (0)
- "no sonic value ... from high res ... for all popular and all classical music" - you're forgetting... - carcass93 07:56:17 09/1/09 (29)
- I'm fine with that. - Axon 10:11:46 09/1/09 (28)
- What's good thing - that their "beliefs" will die, or they themselves? - carcass93 10:51:29 09/1/09 (27)
- Yeah, I can't discount a freak act of stupidity finishing me off... - Axon 13:08:24 09/1/09 (26)
- "and the interest in music there is far more diverse." - kerr 14:04:19 09/1/09 (23)
- You laugh, but.... - Axon 14:11:47 09/1/09 (22)
- Well... yeah, I do! - kerr 05:07:38 09/2/09 (19)
- I'll admit the paranoia occasionally sucks - Axon 01:01:39 09/3/09 (7)
- "paranoia occasionally sucks"? So, there are times when paranoia is just fine? - carcass93 11:09:44 09/4/09 (5)
- Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - kerr 15:01:11 09/4/09 (1)
- RE: Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - Tony Lauck 17:29:44 09/4/09 (0)
- I'm still rapturously awating how you think I've been lying -nt - Axon 14:54:10 09/4/09 (2)
- Your persistence can be fully satisfied, if you just.... - carcass93 19:14:00 09/4/09 (1)
- Godwin's Law satisfied 2x, and you talk the big talk for a guy who doesn't post his system. You're cute. - Axon 09:14:23 09/5/09 (0)
- LOL - kerr 05:07:41 09/3/09 (0)
- RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - rick_m 08:16:37 09/2/09 (10)
- RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - kerr 05:12:01 09/3/09 (9)
- RE: 78's - rick_m 09:15:47 09/3/09 (8)
- RE: 78's - kerr 11:29:05 09/3/09 (0)
- RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 10:52:56 09/3/09 (6)
- RE: 78's - rick_m 12:28:43 09/3/09 (5)
- Time for a new cartridge - unclestu52 16:23:19 09/13/09 (1)
- RE: Time for a new cartridge - rick_m 06:44:12 09/23/09 (0)
- My experience mirrors Tony's - E-Stat 15:37:12 09/3/09 (1)
- That's a relief. - rick_m 16:40:13 09/3/09 (0)
- RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 12:36:25 09/3/09 (0)
- Looks like we have different concepts of honesty, too. N/T - carcass93 14:56:51 09/1/09 (1)
- Now I'm genuinely curious as to what you think I'm lying about... -nt - Axon 15:38:46 09/1/09 (0)
- "HA homeys tend to have equally good listening skills (and rigs)" - there's a difference... - carcass93 13:37:30 09/1/09 (1)
- I know! It's like, wow, we have different conceptions of reality or something -nt - Axon 13:50:59 09/1/09 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - tomservo 09/1/0910:16:09 09/1/09 (1)
- It's a long way from "way down in level" to "inaudible" in musical context. - carcass93 10:59:41 09/1/09 (0)