"no sonic value ... from high res ... for all popular and all classical music" - you're forgetting... - carcass93

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Topic - It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - carcass93 15:07:58 08/31/09 (109)

Yes but........ - tomservo 09:20:58 09/3/09 (0)

Here - some examples of instruments that produce content above 22 kHz. - carcass93 08:29:47 09/3/09 (28)

"Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 09:59:29 09/3/09 (27)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 10:26:15 09/3/09 (26)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - FenderLover 01:48:30 09/6/09 (2)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 12:16:20 09/6/09 (1)

" During the attack, there is no such valid series, and the concepts of fundamental and harmonics... - FenderLover 04:29:16 09/7/09 (0)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 10:36:08 09/3/09 (22)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 22:09:01 09/3/09 (20)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 10:16:14 09/4/09 (8)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 01:04:43 09/5/09 (7)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 08:51:17 09/8/09 (5)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 09:45:45 09/8/09 (4)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 04:38:49 09/9/09 (0)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 01:19:52 09/9/09 (0)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 01:12:23 09/9/09 (1)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Tony Lauck 10:39:30 09/9/09 (0)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 01:21:34 09/5/09 (0)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 23:02:34 09/3/09 (10)

Fourier transformations - FenderLover 18:21:16 09/5/09 (0)

RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 23:22:23 09/3/09 (8)

Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 10:27:45 09/4/09 (7)

RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Werner 00:57:08 09/5/09 (5)

RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 01:11:55 09/5/09 (4)

RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Werner 01:20:48 09/5/09 (3)

RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 01:24:08 09/5/09 (2)

RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - rick_m 08:20:11 09/5/09 (0)

samples - Werner 02:23:36 09/5/09 (0)

No nails anywhere.. No use for a hammer :-) - Tony Lauck 17:23:34 09/4/09 (0)

As either a transient burst or a filtered noise source - Axon 11:16:03 09/3/09 (0)

RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Awe-d-o-file 06:23:28 09/2/09 (1)

The question then becomes "Will high-frequency content at -50...-40dB enhance sound quality in any way?" - carcass93 07:37:46 09/2/09 (0)

RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Logan 20:13:38 09/1/09 (0)

RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - john curl 20:11:01 09/1/09 (0)

And this relates to audio how? - Don Till 14:02:08 09/1/09 (22)

I believe I made my point in the discussion below. N/T - carcass93 14:53:15 09/1/09 (0)

Facts are of no importance? nt - Norm 14:07:27 09/1/09 (20)

Depends on the facts and whatever it is we are discussing - Don Till 22:37:12 09/1/09 (19)

Really... What about high frequencies that DO exist in the recording? - carcass93 07:50:45 09/2/09 (16)

LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - Don Till 10:09:38 09/2/09 (15)

RE: LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - b.l.zeebub 06:52:23 09/3/09 (1)

If you say so I believe you but... - Don Till 09:33:04 09/3/09 (0)

Ever heard of moving coil cartridges? - Tony Lauck 14:58:59 09/2/09 (12)

Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Don Till 09:21:21 09/3/09 (2)

RE: Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Tony Lauck 09:36:44 09/3/09 (1)

Two things - Don Till 13:28:44 09/4/09 (0)

"energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - Axon 00:42:12 09/3/09 (8)

And 100% of it would be pure distortion -nt - E-Stat 10:01:19 09/3/09 (0)

I'm sure you're aware of difference between actual recorded content and artifacts. - carcass93 08:27:01 09/3/09 (4)

Wow, tough crowd. - Axon 11:09:57 09/3/09 (3)

RE: Wow, tough crowd. - Tony Lauck 12:23:02 09/3/09 (0)

It must be persuasive - after all, it's got "BAM!" at the end. - carcass93 11:38:54 09/3/09 (1)

Persuasive? Nah, just a poor attempt at facetiousness -nt - Axon 16:01:26 09/3/09 (0)

RE: "energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - tomservo 07:11:02 09/3/09 (0)

Err ???? - Werner 02:52:01 09/3/09 (0)

I guess I would dispute what was thought about cds, but it really doesn't matter. - Norm 06:49:17 09/2/09 (1)

RE: I guess I would dispute what was thought about cds, but it really doesn't matter. - Don Till 10:26:42 09/2/09 (0)

RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - tomservo 10:16:09 09/1/09 (1)

It's a long way from "way down in level" to "inaudible" in musical context. - carcass93 10:59:41 09/1/09 (0)

Literature overview - KlausR. 05:16:46 09/1/09 (1)

Thank you - excellent find! N/T - carcass93 11:12:04 09/1/09 (0)

RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Werner 03:37:01 09/1/09 (5)

RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Tony Lauck 09:43:01 09/1/09 (1)

Speaking of intense HF - E-Stat 11:13:15 09/1/09 (0)

88 dB is limit for detection in that particular, very small and arbitrarily assembled group. - carcass93 08:04:13 09/1/09 (2)

But you don't seem to "buy" any argument contrary to your set beliefs. - Pat D 11:14:55 09/1/09 (1)

What evidence? Evidence of what? - carcass93 11:27:50 09/1/09 (0)

No ties to the the "scientists"... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 16:52:36 08/31/09 (41)

It's better than nothing - and surely better than pathetic Meyer-Moran exercise. - carcass93 17:58:25 08/31/09 (40)

RE: It's better than nothing - and surely better than pathetic Meyer-Moran exercise. - caspian@peak.org 09:07:56 09/1/09 (0)

It's the answer to a different question - Axon 22:12:45 08/31/09 (38)

RE: It's the answer to a different question - Pat D 11:10:23 09/1/09 (4)

"don't seem", "I expect" - in other words, you don't know. - carcass93 11:18:48 09/1/09 (3)

Well, in any spectral analysis of music I've ever seen . . . - Pat D 12:48:56 09/1/09 (2)

Are you Meyer or Moran? Or at least one of the participants, may be? - carcass93 13:09:22 09/1/09 (1)

So, what is the matter with their equipment? - Pat D 16:48:58 09/1/09 (0)

RE: It's the answer to a different question - Tony Lauck 09:32:22 09/1/09 (2)

RE: It's the answer to a different question - kerr 12:43:45 09/1/09 (0)

Cagey response! -nt - E-Stat 11:09:09 09/1/09 (0)

"no sonic value ... from high res ... for all popular and all classical music" - you're forgetting... - carcass93 09/1/0907:56:17 09/1/09 (29)

I'm fine with that. - Axon 10:11:46 09/1/09 (28)

What's good thing - that their "beliefs" will die, or they themselves? - carcass93 10:51:29 09/1/09 (27)

Yeah, I can't discount a freak act of stupidity finishing me off... - Axon 13:08:24 09/1/09 (26)

"and the interest in music there is far more diverse." - kerr 14:04:19 09/1/09 (23)

You laugh, but.... - Axon 14:11:47 09/1/09 (22)

Well... yeah, I do! - kerr 05:07:38 09/2/09 (19)

I'll admit the paranoia occasionally sucks - Axon 01:01:39 09/3/09 (7)

"paranoia occasionally sucks"? So, there are times when paranoia is just fine? - carcass93 11:09:44 09/4/09 (5)

Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - kerr 15:01:11 09/4/09 (1)

RE: Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - Tony Lauck 17:29:44 09/4/09 (0)

I'm still rapturously awating how you think I've been lying -nt - Axon 14:54:10 09/4/09 (2)

Your persistence can be fully satisfied, if you just.... - carcass93 19:14:00 09/4/09 (1)

Godwin's Law satisfied 2x, and you talk the big talk for a guy who doesn't post his system. You're cute. - Axon 09:14:23 09/5/09 (0)

LOL - kerr 05:07:41 09/3/09 (0)

RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - rick_m 08:16:37 09/2/09 (10)

RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - kerr 05:12:01 09/3/09 (9)

RE: 78's - rick_m 09:15:47 09/3/09 (8)

RE: 78's - kerr 11:29:05 09/3/09 (0)

RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 10:52:56 09/3/09 (6)

RE: 78's - rick_m 12:28:43 09/3/09 (5)

Time for a new cartridge - unclestu52 16:23:19 09/13/09 (1)

RE: Time for a new cartridge - rick_m 06:44:12 09/23/09 (0)

My experience mirrors Tony's - E-Stat 15:37:12 09/3/09 (1)

That's a relief. - rick_m 16:40:13 09/3/09 (0)

RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 12:36:25 09/3/09 (0)

Looks like we have different concepts of honesty, too. N/T - carcass93 14:56:51 09/1/09 (1)

Now I'm genuinely curious as to what you think I'm lying about... -nt - Axon 15:38:46 09/1/09 (0)

"HA homeys tend to have equally good listening skills (and rigs)" - there's a difference... - carcass93 13:37:30 09/1/09 (1)

I know! It's like, wow, we have different conceptions of reality or something -nt - Axon 13:50:59 09/1/09 (0)

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"no sonic value ... from high res ... for all popular and all classical music" - you're forgetting... - carcass93 09/1/0907:56:17 09/1/09 (29)

I'm fine with that. - Axon 10:11:46 09/1/09 (28)

What's good thing - that their "beliefs" will die, or they themselves? - carcass93 10:51:29 09/1/09 (27)

Yeah, I can't discount a freak act of stupidity finishing me off... - Axon 13:08:24 09/1/09 (26)

"and the interest in music there is far more diverse." - kerr 14:04:19 09/1/09 (23)

You laugh, but.... - Axon 14:11:47 09/1/09 (22)

Well... yeah, I do! - kerr 05:07:38 09/2/09 (19)

I'll admit the paranoia occasionally sucks - Axon 01:01:39 09/3/09 (7)

"paranoia occasionally sucks"? So, there are times when paranoia is just fine? - carcass93 11:09:44 09/4/09 (5)

Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - kerr 15:01:11 09/4/09 (1)

RE: Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - Tony Lauck 17:29:44 09/4/09 (0)

I'm still rapturously awating how you think I've been lying -nt - Axon 14:54:10 09/4/09 (2)

Your persistence can be fully satisfied, if you just.... - carcass93 19:14:00 09/4/09 (1)

Godwin's Law satisfied 2x, and you talk the big talk for a guy who doesn't post his system. You're cute. - Axon 09:14:23 09/5/09 (0)

LOL - kerr 05:07:41 09/3/09 (0)

RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - rick_m 08:16:37 09/2/09 (10)

RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - kerr 05:12:01 09/3/09 (9)

RE: 78's - rick_m 09:15:47 09/3/09 (8)

RE: 78's - kerr 11:29:05 09/3/09 (0)

RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 10:52:56 09/3/09 (6)

RE: 78's - rick_m 12:28:43 09/3/09 (5)

Time for a new cartridge - unclestu52 16:23:19 09/13/09 (1)

RE: Time for a new cartridge - rick_m 06:44:12 09/23/09 (0)

My experience mirrors Tony's - E-Stat 15:37:12 09/3/09 (1)

That's a relief. - rick_m 16:40:13 09/3/09 (0)

RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 12:36:25 09/3/09 (0)

Looks like we have different concepts of honesty, too. N/T - carcass93 14:56:51 09/1/09 (1)

Now I'm genuinely curious as to what you think I'm lying about... -nt - Axon 15:38:46 09/1/09 (0)

"HA homeys tend to have equally good listening skills (and rigs)" - there's a difference... - carcass93 13:37:30 09/1/09 (1)

I know! It's like, wow, we have different conceptions of reality or something -nt - Axon 13:50:59 09/1/09 (0)

"no sonic value ... from high res ... for all popular and all classical music" - you're forgetting...

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