You were blissfully unaware that you were "hearing" op-amps in your own recordings

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Topic - Carver's Sonic Hologram Generator - thetubeguy1954 13:41:13 07/21/08 (190)

I don't think an analog filter could have done that... - lelandaudio 04:07:29 08/18/08 (0)

I bought a Carver's Sonic Hologram Generator for $50 played with it one week and sold it for $150 - Richard BassNut Greene 08:50:45 07/22/08 (1)

YOU $&%*!! YOU TRIPLED THE PRICE ON ME?!?! - Presto 14:34:24 07/22/08 (0)

Hologram Generators, tube distortion generators, high capacitance cables, groove echo - AJinFLA 03:53:24 07/22/08 (101)

Mr. Audiophile, what do you use? - Sordidman 15:45:10 07/25/08 (2)

Physics/Psychoacoustics/No sales targets (nt) - AJinFLA 04:17:12 07/26/08 (1)

That was funny... - Sordidman 10:17:59 07/28/08 (0)

At least things like - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:14:13 07/22/08 (81)

Mostly agreed. However, I have yet to find an algorithm that does pleasing distortion like a soft clipping tube will. - Ugly 16:49:20 07/26/08 (79)

RE: Mostly agreed. However, I have yet to find an algorithm that does pleasing distortion like a soft clipping tube will - morricab 07:41:47 08/7/08 (1)

Yes this is what I meant by "soft clipping" thanks for clarifying. - Ugly 13:43:13 08/7/08 (0)

Tubes - Donald North 17:46:47 07/30/08 (25)

RE: Tubes - Ugly 21:52:52 08/6/08 (23)

RE: Tubes - morricab 07:26:22 08/7/08 (22)

RE: Tubes - Tony Lauck 08:09:33 08/8/08 (1)

RE: Tubes - Ugly 10:46:35 08/8/08 (0)

RE: Tubes - Ugly 13:37:23 08/7/08 (19)

RE: Tubes - morricab 16:00:35 08/7/08 (18)

Precisely. - Ugly 16:53:24 08/7/08 (17)

RE: Precisely. - morricab 08:00:24 08/8/08 (15)

RE: Precisely. - Ugly 11:07:21 08/8/08 (14)

RE: Precisely. - morricab 02:24:34 08/9/08 (13)

"What is audible and what is not is the debate." Agreed. I wish I had a formula for my situation. - Ugly 10:58:03 08/9/08 (12)

RE: "What is audible and what is not is the debate." Agreed. I wish I had a formula for my situation. - morricab 15:03:31 08/10/08 (11)

RE: "What is audible and what is not is the debate." Agreed. I wish I had a formula for my situation. - Ugly 21:31:34 08/11/08 (10)

RE: "What is audible and what is not is the debate." Agreed. I wish I had a formula for my situation. - morricab 04:22:27 08/12/08 (9)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - rick_m 07:39:37 08/12/08 (8)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - morricab 09:05:59 08/12/08 (7)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - rick_m 10:06:36 08/12/08 (6)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - morricab 08:03:49 08/13/08 (5)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - rick_m 09:36:07 08/13/08 (4)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - morricab 02:44:38 08/14/08 (3)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - rick_m 08:47:45 08/14/08 (2)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - morricab 00:56:14 08/15/08 (1)

RE: "Remember the negative correlation..." - rick_m 09:40:05 08/15/08 (0)

RE: Precisely. - morricab 07:57:23 08/8/08 (0)

RE: Tubes - theaudiohobby 08:02:45 07/31/08 (0)

RE: Mostly agreed. However, I have yet to find an algorithm that does pleasing distortion like a soft clipping - morricab 13:48:48 07/28/08 (48)

That makes sense to me. - rick_m 07:43:26 07/29/08 (31)

RE: That makes sense to me. - morricab 05:34:53 07/30/08 (0)

"It's driven by the notion that tube-lovers are seeking euphonic distortion." - AJinFLA 09:29:13 07/29/08 (29)

RE: "It's driven by the notion that tube-lovers are seeking euphonic distortion." - morricab 05:36:39 07/30/08 (0)

RE: "It's driven by the notion that tube-lovers are seeking euphonic distortion." - rick_m 12:08:55 07/29/08 (27)

RE: "It's driven by the notion that tube-lovers are seeking euphonic distortion." - AJinFLA 14:52:33 07/29/08 (26)

RE: Building speakers - rick_m 16:44:59 07/29/08 (25)

RE: Building speakers - AJinFLA 04:00:04 07/31/08 (24)

RE: CNC shops. - rick_m 07:31:00 07/31/08 (23)

RE: CNC shops. - AJinFLA 14:35:24 07/31/08 (22)

RE: CNC shops. - rick_m 15:59:57 07/31/08 (21)

RE: CNC shops. - AJinFLA 16:38:30 07/31/08 (20)

That was the "baffle step" alright. - rick_m 20:05:23 07/31/08 (19)

RE: That was the "baffle step" alright. - AJinFLA 16:43:15 08/1/08 (18)

Are you refering to a speaker? - rick_m 18:35:14 08/1/08 (17)

RE: Are you refering to a speaker? - AJinFLA 16:56:40 08/3/08 (16)

OMG! You guys argue on multiple fora. - rick_m 19:22:12 08/3/08 (15)

Argue? How does one argue with an "inmate"? You just give medicine/treatment and watch them flail about - AJinFLA 03:57:49 08/4/08 (5)

RE: Reflections - rick_m 08:44:37 08/4/08 (4)

RE: Reflections - AJinFLA 15:28:43 08/4/08 (3)

You've lost me. - rick_m 17:30:14 08/4/08 (2)

RE: You've lost me. - AJinFLA 03:50:46 08/5/08 (1)

Now I understand, but... - rick_m 08:18:41 08/5/08 (0)

RE: OMG! You guys argue on multiple fora. - morricab 02:08:41 08/4/08 (8)

RE: Foam speaker wall. - rick_m 08:48:06 08/4/08 (6)

RE: Foam speaker wall. - morricab 02:14:12 08/5/08 (1)

That makes sense. - rick_m 08:30:05 08/5/08 (0)

Or an even more amusing question. Got measurements? (: (nt) - AJinFLA 09:47:08 08/4/08 (3)

Sure I do...Troll - morricab 02:11:26 08/5/08 (2)

I meant during waking hours, not dream time (nt) - AJinFLA 03:35:58 08/5/08 (1)

Troll...you are the only one here who is dreaming - morricab 02:30:03 08/6/08 (0)

"That's why the speakers I designed..." - AJinFLA 04:10:41 08/4/08 (0)

Hey chemist, what evidence do you have that you can hear better than anyone else? - AJinFLA 03:48:51 07/29/08 (1)

RE: Hey chemist, what evidence do you have that you can hear better than anyone else? - morricab 05:52:45 07/30/08 (0)

RE: Mostly agreed. However, I have yet to find an algorithm that does pleasing distortion like a soft clipping - Ugly 19:20:02 07/28/08 (13)

RE: Mostly agreed. However, I have yet to find an algorithm that does pleasing distortion like a soft clipping - morricab 05:59:41 07/30/08 (3)

RE: Mostly agreed. However, I have yet to find an algorithm that does pleasing distortion like a soft clipping - Ugly 07:09:26 08/1/08 (2)

RE: Mostly agreed. However, I have yet to find an algorithm that does pleasing distortion like a soft clipping - morricab 02:10:02 08/4/08 (1)

Thanks. N/T - Ugly 18:27:28 08/6/08 (0)

Subliminal distortion may surface unexpectedly - Tony Lauck 21:05:26 07/28/08 (8)

Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - Ugly 22:24:16 07/28/08 (7)

RE: Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - morricab 06:01:15 07/30/08 (2)

RE: Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - Ugly 07:04:46 08/1/08 (1)

RE: Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - Tony Lauck 15:00:27 08/1/08 (0)

RE: Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - Tony Lauck 06:33:55 07/29/08 (3)

RE: Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - Ugly 19:30:48 07/29/08 (2)

RE: Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - Tony Lauck 20:06:32 07/29/08 (1)

RE: Transitivity not holding? Wait a minute. - morricab 06:08:56 07/30/08 (0)

I agree with your take on - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:22:09 07/27/08 (1)

Same here. No tubes at my place 'cept the picture tube in the old TV in the kids' room. n/t - Ugly 12:58:48 07/28/08 (0)

Quite true (nt) - AJinFLA 04:19:01 07/26/08 (0)

What About Built-In Equalization, Notch Filter Circuit & Baffle Step Correction Tweaks Employed In Your Speakers? - thetubeguy1954 13:53:57 07/22/08 (15)

Polk sold speakers with cabling between speakers for that reason - Atexanathome 18:21:07 07/22/08 (0)

RE: What About Built-In Equalization, Notch Filter Circuit & Baffle Step Correction Tweaks Employed In Your Speakers? - AJinFLA 14:42:02 07/22/08 (13)

They're Still Tweaks AJ & You've Made Your View On Tweaks Well Known. - thetubeguy1954 09:25:22 07/23/08 (10)

Per your post, show we take it that speaker crossovers is a tweak. - theaudiohobby 13:35:52 07/23/08 (9)

That's Not What I Meant To Imply - thetubeguy1954 08:31:49 07/24/08 (8)

So the 3 Qts woofers in your Carvers are "tweaks"??? (nt) - AJinFLA 10:03:28 07/24/08 (3)

Well AJinFLA Let's Examine The Facts, Shall We? - thetubeguy1954 12:30:16 07/24/08 (2)

Carver Amazing Loudspeaker - Donald North 18:39:03 07/30/08 (1)

"While you may get a fairly flat steady state frequency response, time response is poor with lots of ringing" - AJinFLA 04:15:12 07/31/08 (0)

RE: Tweaks - rick_m 09:10:03 07/24/08 (3)

It is amazing... - mls-stl 16:48:58 07/25/08 (2)

Pointless? - rick_m 21:04:09 07/25/08 (1)

RE: Don't take it personally,,, - mls-stl 15:40:39 07/26/08 (0)

Maybe someday - robert young 20:13:19 07/22/08 (1)

NOT Today! I Just Felt The Ground & Hell Hasn't Frozen Over Yet! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:50:09 07/24/08 (0)

Remembering Carver's C-9... - mpathus 22:19:40 07/21/08 (0)

RE: Carver's Sonic Hologram Generator - Awe-d-o-file 21:29:50 07/21/08 (1)

RE: Carver's Sonic Hologram Generator - MiltoiD 17:33:50 08/15/08 (0)

RE: Carver's Sonic Hologram Generator - Tony Lauck 14:32:42 07/21/08 (81)

That's more my understanding of how the device worked - E-Stat 18:01:14 07/21/08 (80)

You were blissfully unaware that you were "hearing" op-amps in your own recordings - AJinFLA 07/22/0803:42:29 07/22/08 (78)

Who can hear op-amps when... - rick_m 10:33:11 07/22/08 (4)

If by screen you mean grill cloth - E-Stat 17:59:56 07/22/08 (2)

Nice "Art." (nt) - robert young 20:14:28 07/22/08 (0)

RE: If by screen you mean grill cloth - rick_m 19:24:13 07/22/08 (0)

RE: Who can hear op-amps when... - AJinFLA 14:30:27 07/22/08 (0)

How old were you in 1978 - E-Stat 10:22:37 07/22/08 (72)

He apparently was deprived of diapers in early childhood, that's possible reason... - carcass93 15:29:03 07/22/08 (3)

Hey brain dead for 14yrs and counting, are you still ashamed to reveal your stereo? - AJinFLA 15:47:37 07/22/08 (2)

Why are you ashamed of your age? - E-Stat 17:30:14 07/22/08 (1)

Because of your op-amp disorder (nt) - AJinFLA 18:37:00 07/22/08 (0)

Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - AJinFLA 14:49:17 07/22/08 (67)

I'm really sorry to hear - E-Stat 17:25:16 07/22/08 (0)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - morricab 17:23:13 07/22/08 (51)

"Never heard my voice duplicated so accurately " - jpvs 12:27:52 07/23/08 (2)

His spouse's voice. - rick_m 12:54:59 07/23/08 (1)

"Why does every system sound so shrill?" - jpvs 13:38:45 07/25/08 (0)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - theaudiohobby 10:58:51 07/23/08 (45)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - morricab 07:55:04 07/25/08 (0)

The same old DB BS. - Tony Lauck 12:52:11 07/23/08 (43)

"A test that lacks statistical significance proves nothing" - AJinFLA 03:27:38 07/25/08 (24)

RE: "A test that lacks statistical significance proves nothing" - Tony Lauck 08:00:49 07/25/08 (19)

You and Ivor are of the same ilk - AJinFLA 05:40:13 07/26/08 (18)

Falling into the trap - Tony Lauck 06:18:32 07/26/08 (17)

RE: Falling into the trap - AJinFLA 11:05:44 07/26/08 (10)

Can't help yourself, can you? - robert young 03:18:43 07/27/08 (9)

I'm OK with AJinFLA - Tony Lauck 18:07:39 07/27/08 (8)

Hi Tony, - robert young 04:18:38 07/28/08 (7)

RE: Hi Tony, - Tony Lauck 12:01:51 07/28/08 (1)

The potential for misinterpretation.... - robert young 12:07:47 07/28/08 (0)

Difficult, not impossible - Tony Lauck 09:10:27 07/28/08 (4)

Sorry to disagree... - robert young 11:09:09 07/28/08 (0)

I can vouch for Robert Hypocrite Young being mentally disabled - AJinFLA 09:58:36 07/28/08 (2)

"...his thirst for bile." - robert young 11:05:28 07/28/08 (0)

RE: I can vouch for Robert Hypocrite Young being mentally disabled - Tony Lauck 10:18:39 07/28/08 (0)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 08:42:30 07/26/08 (5)

RE: That clears up a lot! - Tony Lauck 10:02:37 07/26/08 (4)

So do you grind and ink your CDs per better stereo Clark? - AJinFLA 10:00:45 07/28/08 (3)

RE: So do you grind and ink your CDs per better stereo Clark? - Tony Lauck 10:35:29 07/28/08 (2)

Forced holiday? - AJinFLA 15:28:31 07/28/08 (1)

Ask the Bored NT - Tony Lauck 19:40:25 07/28/08 (0)

For those of us with experience - E-Stat 06:43:38 07/25/08 (3)

So if I come over, I would find nothing but hundreds of op-amp free recordings in your library? - AJinFLA 05:43:46 07/26/08 (2)

You would find a wide range of recordings - E-Stat 06:51:33 07/26/08 (1)

RE: Clearly, the best sounding recordings in my library are those using simple technigues and excellent gear. - rick_m 07:49:45 07/26/08 (0)

RE: Self-serving commentary - theaudiohobby 04:50:34 07/24/08 (17)

RE: Self-serving commentary - Tony Lauck 08:12:21 07/24/08 (16)

RE: Semantics - theaudiohobby 09:47:00 07/24/08 (15)

RE: Semantics - Tony Lauck 12:29:26 07/24/08 (14)

RE: Semantics - Andy.G 15:44:42 07/25/08 (2)

RE: Semantics - Tony Lauck 17:52:47 07/25/08 (1)

RE: Semantics - Andy.G 02:55:45 07/26/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - theaudiohobby 15:47:10 07/24/08 (10)

RE: Siege mentality - Tony Lauck 19:27:24 07/24/08 (9)

RE: Siege mentality - theaudiohobby 00:14:57 07/25/08 (8)

RE: Siege mentality - Tony Lauck 08:22:56 07/25/08 (5)

Headroom - Bob Stern 00:58:32 07/28/08 (1)

RE: Headroom - Tony Lauck 08:27:48 07/28/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - theaudiohobby 03:09:39 07/26/08 (2)

RE: Siege mentality - morricab 05:30:59 07/28/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - Tony Lauck 06:21:42 07/26/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - morricab 02:24:25 07/25/08 (1)

"Maybe old Ivor doesn't hear that well" - AJinFLA 03:21:27 07/25/08 (0)

Groove echo? (nt) - AJinFLA 18:40:18 07/22/08 (1)

RE: Groove echo? (nt) - morricab 04:04:33 07/23/08 (0)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - morricab 17:18:42 07/22/08 (13)

Many even pre-stereo. - rick_m 20:40:03 07/22/08 (10)

"Overproduction" agreed, however... - Ugly 00:43:07 07/23/08 (9)

A matter of taste? - rick_m 07:45:01 07/23/08 (8)

RE: A matter of taste? It sure seems that way. - Ugly 12:56:10 07/23/08 (2)

RE: A matter of taste? It sure seems that way. - rick_m 13:39:31 07/23/08 (1)

RE: A matter of taste? It sure seems that way. - Ugly 23:18:40 07/23/08 (0)

3 channels worked well - Tony Lauck 08:40:22 07/23/08 (4)

They still do - E-Stat 06:40:25 07/25/08 (0)

RE: 3 channels worked well - rick_m 12:47:00 07/23/08 (2)

RE: 3 channels worked well - Tony Lauck 13:20:34 07/23/08 (1)

RE: 3 channels worked well - rick_m 14:29:19 07/23/08 (0)

So you prefer pre-ops? (nt) - AJinFLA 18:39:29 07/22/08 (1)

RE: So you prefer pre-ops? (nt) - morricab 04:03:32 07/23/08 (0)

RE: That's more my understanding of how the device worked - Awe-d-o-file 21:35:07 07/21/08 (0)

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You were blissfully unaware that you were "hearing" op-amps in your own recordings - AJinFLA 07/22/0803:42:29 07/22/08 (78)

Who can hear op-amps when... - rick_m 10:33:11 07/22/08 (4)

If by screen you mean grill cloth - E-Stat 17:59:56 07/22/08 (2)

Nice "Art." (nt) - robert young 20:14:28 07/22/08 (0)

RE: If by screen you mean grill cloth - rick_m 19:24:13 07/22/08 (0)

RE: Who can hear op-amps when... - AJinFLA 14:30:27 07/22/08 (0)

How old were you in 1978 - E-Stat 10:22:37 07/22/08 (72)

He apparently was deprived of diapers in early childhood, that's possible reason... - carcass93 15:29:03 07/22/08 (3)

Hey brain dead for 14yrs and counting, are you still ashamed to reveal your stereo? - AJinFLA 15:47:37 07/22/08 (2)

Why are you ashamed of your age? - E-Stat 17:30:14 07/22/08 (1)

Because of your op-amp disorder (nt) - AJinFLA 18:37:00 07/22/08 (0)

Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - AJinFLA 14:49:17 07/22/08 (67)

I'm really sorry to hear - E-Stat 17:25:16 07/22/08 (0)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - morricab 17:23:13 07/22/08 (51)

"Never heard my voice duplicated so accurately " - jpvs 12:27:52 07/23/08 (2)

His spouse's voice. - rick_m 12:54:59 07/23/08 (1)

"Why does every system sound so shrill?" - jpvs 13:38:45 07/25/08 (0)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - theaudiohobby 10:58:51 07/23/08 (45)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - morricab 07:55:04 07/25/08 (0)

The same old DB BS. - Tony Lauck 12:52:11 07/23/08 (43)

"A test that lacks statistical significance proves nothing" - AJinFLA 03:27:38 07/25/08 (24)

RE: "A test that lacks statistical significance proves nothing" - Tony Lauck 08:00:49 07/25/08 (19)

You and Ivor are of the same ilk - AJinFLA 05:40:13 07/26/08 (18)

Falling into the trap - Tony Lauck 06:18:32 07/26/08 (17)

RE: Falling into the trap - AJinFLA 11:05:44 07/26/08 (10)

Can't help yourself, can you? - robert young 03:18:43 07/27/08 (9)

I'm OK with AJinFLA - Tony Lauck 18:07:39 07/27/08 (8)

Hi Tony, - robert young 04:18:38 07/28/08 (7)

RE: Hi Tony, - Tony Lauck 12:01:51 07/28/08 (1)

The potential for misinterpretation.... - robert young 12:07:47 07/28/08 (0)

Difficult, not impossible - Tony Lauck 09:10:27 07/28/08 (4)

Sorry to disagree... - robert young 11:09:09 07/28/08 (0)

I can vouch for Robert Hypocrite Young being mentally disabled - AJinFLA 09:58:36 07/28/08 (2)

"...his thirst for bile." - robert young 11:05:28 07/28/08 (0)

RE: I can vouch for Robert Hypocrite Young being mentally disabled - Tony Lauck 10:18:39 07/28/08 (0)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 08:42:30 07/26/08 (5)

RE: That clears up a lot! - Tony Lauck 10:02:37 07/26/08 (4)

So do you grind and ink your CDs per better stereo Clark? - AJinFLA 10:00:45 07/28/08 (3)

RE: So do you grind and ink your CDs per better stereo Clark? - Tony Lauck 10:35:29 07/28/08 (2)

Forced holiday? - AJinFLA 15:28:31 07/28/08 (1)

Ask the Bored NT - Tony Lauck 19:40:25 07/28/08 (0)

For those of us with experience - E-Stat 06:43:38 07/25/08 (3)

So if I come over, I would find nothing but hundreds of op-amp free recordings in your library? - AJinFLA 05:43:46 07/26/08 (2)

You would find a wide range of recordings - E-Stat 06:51:33 07/26/08 (1)

RE: Clearly, the best sounding recordings in my library are those using simple technigues and excellent gear. - rick_m 07:49:45 07/26/08 (0)

RE: Self-serving commentary - theaudiohobby 04:50:34 07/24/08 (17)

RE: Self-serving commentary - Tony Lauck 08:12:21 07/24/08 (16)

RE: Semantics - theaudiohobby 09:47:00 07/24/08 (15)

RE: Semantics - Tony Lauck 12:29:26 07/24/08 (14)

RE: Semantics - Andy.G 15:44:42 07/25/08 (2)

RE: Semantics - Tony Lauck 17:52:47 07/25/08 (1)

RE: Semantics - Andy.G 02:55:45 07/26/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - theaudiohobby 15:47:10 07/24/08 (10)

RE: Siege mentality - Tony Lauck 19:27:24 07/24/08 (9)

RE: Siege mentality - theaudiohobby 00:14:57 07/25/08 (8)

RE: Siege mentality - Tony Lauck 08:22:56 07/25/08 (5)

Headroom - Bob Stern 00:58:32 07/28/08 (1)

RE: Headroom - Tony Lauck 08:27:48 07/28/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - theaudiohobby 03:09:39 07/26/08 (2)

RE: Siege mentality - morricab 05:30:59 07/28/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - Tony Lauck 06:21:42 07/26/08 (0)

RE: Siege mentality - morricab 02:24:25 07/25/08 (1)

"Maybe old Ivor doesn't hear that well" - AJinFLA 03:21:27 07/25/08 (0)

Groove echo? (nt) - AJinFLA 18:40:18 07/22/08 (1)

RE: Groove echo? (nt) - morricab 04:04:33 07/23/08 (0)

RE: Old enough to know that my age has nothing to do with what you "hear" - morricab 17:18:42 07/22/08 (13)

Many even pre-stereo. - rick_m 20:40:03 07/22/08 (10)

"Overproduction" agreed, however... - Ugly 00:43:07 07/23/08 (9)

A matter of taste? - rick_m 07:45:01 07/23/08 (8)

RE: A matter of taste? It sure seems that way. - Ugly 12:56:10 07/23/08 (2)

RE: A matter of taste? It sure seems that way. - rick_m 13:39:31 07/23/08 (1)

RE: A matter of taste? It sure seems that way. - Ugly 23:18:40 07/23/08 (0)

3 channels worked well - Tony Lauck 08:40:22 07/23/08 (4)

They still do - E-Stat 06:40:25 07/25/08 (0)

RE: 3 channels worked well - rick_m 12:47:00 07/23/08 (2)

RE: 3 channels worked well - Tony Lauck 13:20:34 07/23/08 (1)

RE: 3 channels worked well - rick_m 14:29:19 07/23/08 (0)

So you prefer pre-ops? (nt) - AJinFLA 18:39:29 07/22/08 (1)

RE: So you prefer pre-ops? (nt) - morricab 04:03:32 07/23/08 (0)

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