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Every "point" of yours calmly refuted with one hand tied behind my back (read Monday = avoid ruining weekend)

YOUR CLAIM:
"I ALWAYS level balance my system and set the level between components the same when doing critical testing."
MY CALM REPLY:
That's great, and also rare, but does not affect the more important "overreporting differences bias" that is SO easily demonstrated in comparisons of components with themselves (typically 50% to 75% of the time an audiophile will say he prefers A or B, or says A & B sound different, when in fact ONLY ONE COMPONENT IS IN USE and also NO A-B SPL DIFFERENCE IS POSSIBLE).
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I WROTE:
"I have tested my ears over 16 times using blind tests and have been very surprised by how tough it is to hear A-B differences for me"
YOU ATTACKED LIKE A JUNKYARD DOG:
"Key pharse "for me". So what?"
MY CALM REPLY:
You "conveniently" cut off the rest of my sentence, which mentioned members of an audio club who participated in some of the blind tests and had the same results as me. I never let my own experiences overrule the overall results of over three decades of independent blind tests ... however I should be allowed to mention my own experiences once in a while, without being attacked as if I ONLY care about what I hear.
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YOU BELLOWED LIKE BERTHA:
"The studies I have put up have significant correlations between listening and model systems distortions so the "did you hear it or not" is not an issue. Try dealing with the facts of the studies and addressing those directly instead of beating your dead warhorse again."
MY CALM REPLY:
IF audiophiles usually have difficulty hearing differences among non-clipping solid state amplifiers in controlled listening tests, and they do, then studies about what types of amplifier distortion are most likely to be audible can't be very important BECAUSE differences in amplifiers are often not audible.


I WROTE:
"We don't participate in tests with an "all components sound the same attitude" "
YOU LIED, YOU DIRTY DOG:
"No this is what you present on this forum."
MY CALM REPLY:
Not once in any post on this site, or any other internet site since 1996, have I EVER said, or even suggested, that ALL components sound the SAME.
- I HAVE speculated that without any proof to the contrary, in front of witnesses, it remains possible that all wires sound the same, other than SPL differences. But I also encourage people to do single-blind interconnect comparisons and report how often they are right about which interconnect is in use (or just seek the knowledge for their own personal use).
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I WROTE:
"Not true -- I avoid beliefs -- I report test results."
YOU WROTE IN A HUFF:
"I also do that, from published studies and then try to infer what meaning they have. It is not enough to simply report results."
MY CALM REPLY:
People who run tests interpret the test results -- they don't need you to 'reinterpret' the results.
In addition, sometimes one test overrides another:
-- Let's say a group of audiophile club members compare several amplifiers and none can hear differences in a blind test, something I have experienced in an audio club. After the test, some golden ear, let's say you, waltzes in to discuss another test claiming to know for sure which amplifier distortion measurements are most likely to be audiible. The audio club members are not going to care much about that paper because their test results most likely made the paper's points moot.

YOU BRAGGED:
"... I have good hearing to 16khz. In addition, I have conducted blind (single blind), level matched tests here between preamps and cables (interconnects) and gotten statistically significant (within the relatively small number of trials of course) results to detecting positive differences."
MY CALM REPLY:
"relatively small number of trials" and "statistically significant" do not belong in the same sentance -- they contradict.

In your original post starting this thread, you wrote: "... one amp sounds different than another". But hear it we do, so the quest goes on."

Your statement implies all, or nearly all, amps sound different to your ears. This implied claim is far different than the experiences of audiophiles who have done blind amp comparisons.

Therefore, I suspect you are confused about how well you can hear, or you are deliberately making hearing ability claims you can not prove to witnesses. Perhaps your business requires you to maintain an illusion that all components sound different to your ears?
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YOU BRAGGED:
"I have also taken Keith Howard's distortion software and created sound files with distortion patterns I obtained from real world amplifiers (measurements at 1Khz from Soundstage and/or Stereophile). Result? Audible differences compared to the undoctored file and the various "amp models". This was done single blind as well."
MY CALM REPLY:
An irrelevant test, using test tones, softwarem and confuser files ... rather than recorded music played on a real stereo system with component brand names hidden and A-B SPL and channel-balance matched.
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You consistently imply that your hearing abilities are significantly better than any audiophile who has ever participated in a blind controlled listening test.

When people imply or brag that they are way above average, there is always the possibility they are mistaken, or making deceptive self-promoting statements.
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Richard BassNut Greene
"The Floyd R. Turbo of Bingham Farms Michigan"


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