In Reply to: logical fallacy #19 posted by Analog Scott on June 18, 2008 at 00:06:37:
but not misapplied logic. I have not used a tu quoque argument.
With a sighted audition, one already knows the answers. Calibration is not really possible.
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"More precisely what it means is that either there was no audible differences between the two components, or the system failed to reveal the audibles differences between the components or the subjects failed to detect the audible differences between the components. Wow, that's a useful test, not."
A null result shows that the subjects failed to establish that there was an audible difference under the conditions of the test. You got that right. Your other suggestions are merely possible reasons, not demonstrated at all, and you shouldn't list them together. And such a test is far from useless, as it shows the sighted auditions that preceded are unreliable.
On the other hand, a positive result can be useful if one is interested in knowing whether there are audible differences between the DUTs. Sighted tests are worthless for showing there are small audible differences, though they may be useful for training. As well, sighted auditioning can be a way of forming preferences.
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Follow Ups
- Logic can be a wonderful thing . . . - Pat D 06/18/0817:00:07 06/18/08 (26)
- "but not misapplied logic. I have not used a tu quoque argument." - Analog Scott 17:23:40 06/18/08 (25)
- A comparison is not a tu quoque. - Pat D 02:44:16 06/19/08 (24)
- RE: A comparison is not a tu quoque. - morricab 01:54:37 06/20/08 (1)
- RE: A comparison is not a tu quoque. - robert young 05:41:30 06/20/08 (0)
- Null DBTs are not very interesting - Tony Lauck 20:32:02 06/19/08 (10)
- Where are the "null results" in sighted non-SPL matched comparisons? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:23:27 06/25/08 (1)
- RE: Where are the "null results" in sighted non-SPL matched comparisons? - Tony Lauck 08:38:44 06/25/08 (0)
- Great post! - kerr 05:40:51 06/20/08 (7)
- Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Pat D 16:14:57 06/20/08 (6)
- RE: Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Tony Lauck 18:10:41 06/20/08 (2)
- RE: Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Pat D 20:02:52 06/20/08 (1)
- RE: Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Tony Lauck 17:53:18 06/21/08 (0)
- " Or didn't you read what jj has said on this?" This is getting pathetic. - robert young 16:28:46 06/20/08 (2)
- The Leventhal AES article on this is a must-read - andy_c 17:57:01 06/20/08 (1)
- RE: The Leventhal AES article on this is a must-read - Pat D 18:17:55 06/23/08 (0)
- Put your arrogance aside for just a moment. - robert young 03:52:25 06/19/08 (10)
- No, it is arrogant to ignore the evidence. (nt) - Pat D 18:41:48 06/19/08 (9)
- And that is exactly what you have been doing. - robert young 19:16:45 06/19/08 (8)
- Yet another self-declared winner. - Pat D 06:09:37 06/21/08 (7)
- I didn't realize this was a sporting event. - robert young 07:33:32 06/21/08 (6)
- "Game over" is your expression. So now you're taking your marbles and going home? - Pat D 07:56:25 06/21/08 (5)
- You don't seem to have understood my position. - robert young 08:01:40 06/21/08 (4)
- Your position doesn't concern me, only your arguments. (nt) - Pat D 17:12:33 06/21/08 (3)
- That was your biggest cop-out yet. - robert young 17:26:29 06/21/08 (2)
- Anyone can take a position. It's the justification that interests me. - Pat D 19:24:20 06/21/08 (1)
- I explained why. If you don't like the reasons, that's not going to affect me one way or the other. - robert young 06:19:57 06/22/08 (0)