In Reply to: RE: Fine. posted by morricab on December 19, 2007 at 09:03:55:
1. "...to debunk anyone who thinks phase audibility with music is real and to defame JA for making an erroneous statement."You are misunderstanding. I am not debunking anyone; Lipshitz is. Or, to be precise, he debunked that myth almost thirty years ago already.
Defame JA? Exactly how have I "defamed" him? By pointing out an error of fact that gives rise to a false claim? Here on AA he has invited people to point out errors of fact so that he can correct them on Sphile. So here's one. But instead, Atkinson has resorted to attacking my person (not the content of my post) in an effort to cast doubt on my credentials, hence also the credibility of the numbers by Lipshitz that I've posted.
Sorry if you for some reason take it personally, but I think it has more to do with your worldview than any of the numbers I've posted. As with all religions, when an article of faith is contradicted by facts, these facts will be first relativized and then suppressed or swept under the carpet. Look what's going on in this thread and above in the "Wits and Wisdom of Lipshitz" thread... It's even more obvious than one would expect, and even sanctioned by you know whom, which probably means that the article of faith now questioned is even more central in the belief system than what we'd have thought.
2. The Lipshitz papers: Read the reply to you by Andy_C below.
3. Audibility of polarity: I am simply pasting here what Lipshitz has found: his numbers. Argue with him if you think his results lie. I don't really care enough about this subject.
4. "...don't think it was intentional" :
Fine, then he can correct this error if it was merely accidental.
Has he done so? No.
Has he even admitted his error: Not really. In effect he has, but look at the extent of the evasions.
Has he been informed of this error in the past, and by others as well? Yes on both accounts (search the Critics forum -- this has been pointed out to him by at least 2 other posters early last spring).
Has he been offered opportunities to correct this error in the past: Several times.
If this wasn't Atkinson we are talking about, would you then say the error was more likely intentional than not?
And if he wasn't truthful in his claims (remember there is a number of such statements), and if he keeps insisting that there is nothing wrong with such statements, what will you say about the moderators' actions in promptly banning the poster Truthseekerprime and deleting his AA account for pointing this out?
5. "Did you issue them in private first? Give him a chance to address you personally and make the correction?"
When you detect a factual error in statements posted here on AA, do you notify the poster in private or do you note the error in one of your own posts made in reply? (This is how it happened with Atkinson's error -- search for "The Atkinson Diet" over at Critics.) You certainly haven't done so with me, not once, when believing I have committed an error. And once more, JA has publicly invited people to bring up factual errors published in Sphile so he can publish a correction regarding them (he has proudly claimed here on AA that this -- publicly correcting errors -- is what separates Sphile from its competitors).
Also to repeat once more, Atkinson has been offered numerous chances to make this correction, and what has done? Nothing.
So... merely an accidental error? What is it doing, still up there? ;-)
6. "YOU posted that link in THIS thread!" Yes and for the very specific reason related to this thread topic that I already mentioned. If you want to change the topic, start another thread. I'll be glad to participate.
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Follow Ups
- Debunking / Policing on AA / Correcting Errors - tlyyra 12/20/0704:12:31 12/20/07 (9)
- Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 11:41:29 12/20/07 (3)
- RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - tlyyra 12:09:25 12/20/07 (2)
- RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 12:16:06 12/20/07 (1)
- RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - tlyyra 14:03:19 12/20/07 (0)
- Correcting Errors - John Atkinson 04:29:46 12/20/07 (4)
- Correcting More Errors - tlyyra 05:39:35 12/20/07 (3)
- RE: Correcting More Errors - John Atkinson 06:41:51 12/20/07 (2)
- Why not just answer the questions? They would settle it all so very quickly. - tlyyra 08:17:37 12/20/07 (1)
- I'm only replying so you can't delete it. - robert young 10:14:03 12/20/07 (0)