RE: Slow work takes time

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Topic - A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - thetubeguy1954 12:27:53 09/18/07 (199)

I hired an investigator to find out the truth about Tube Guy and it is absolutely shocking!!!!!!!! - Richard BassNut Greene 12:47:44 09/22/07 (3)

RE: I hired an investigator to find out the truth about Tube Guy and it is absolutely shocking!!!!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 13:49:02 09/25/07 (1)

That leash looks like the cable they use to catch jets on aircraft carrier decks - Richard BassNut Greene 07:54:06 09/26/07 (0)

Do You Have the Signed Contract?? - Todd Krieger 22:51:52 09/24/07 (0)

RE: A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - EBradMeyer 06:45:24 09/21/07 (36)

A pharmacist's perspective - E-Stat 09:16:57 09/22/07 (11)

RE: A pharmacist's perspective - EBradMeyer 11:46:26 09/25/07 (1)

You're welcome - E-Stat 13:31:29 09/25/07 (0)

Another pharmacist's perspective... - mkuller 11:10:14 09/22/07 (8)

RE: Another pharmacist's perspective... - Steve Eddy 13:04:54 09/22/07 (7)

Couple of issues occur to me. - Dave Pogue 06:19:50 09/23/07 (6)

RE: Couple of issues occur to me. - EBradMeyer 12:01:28 09/25/07 (3)

I hope your conclusions are sounder than your perception of who I am. - Dave Pogue 12:12:13 09/25/07 (2)

RE: I hope your conclusions are sounder than your perception of who I am. - EBradMeyer 12:30:49 09/25/07 (1)

Oh, it's sufficiently eminent. - Dave Pogue 12:55:10 09/25/07 (0)

RE: Couple of issues occur to me. - Steve Eddy 09:37:41 09/23/07 (0)

RE: Couple of issues occur to me. - Ted Smith 08:23:59 09/23/07 (0)

RE: A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - Todd Krieger 01:30:25 09/22/07 (14)

Agree and disagree - AJinFLA 09:01:45 09/22/07 (0)

Well-answered! If I may recast it a bit... - clarkjohnsen 08:56:05 09/22/07 (12)

RE: "unqualified test subjects" - tlyyra 03:59:33 09/23/07 (2)

Time to put a stop to the lies and the LIAR who tells them. - clarkjohnsen 12:09:14 09/23/07 (1)

Would hearing OMG improvement in a grinded/inked cd qualify someone? Eliminate them as a moron? (nt) - AJinFLA 17:00:23 09/23/07 (0)

Catch 22 - AJinFLA 09:13:11 09/22/07 (8)

Question - E-Stat 09:23:06 09/22/07 (7)

RE: Question - AJinFLA 09:34:48 09/23/07 (6)

Congratulations! - E-Stat 09:44:49 09/23/07 (5)

RE: Congratulations! - AJinFLA 12:21:06 09/23/07 (4)

Rick what scientifically acceptable method should be used to demonstrate that audiophiles do indeed "hear it"? - AJinFLA 15:53:37 09/24/07 (1)

Only too happy to repeat the answer - E-Stat 09:23:15 09/26/07 (0)

Gotcha - E-Stat 06:15:19 09/24/07 (1)

Rick? - AJinFLA 08:46:09 09/26/07 (0)

RE: A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - Pat D 12:29:59 09/21/07 (4)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:29:27 09/21/07 (3)

RE: That clears up a lot! - Steve Eddy 13:10:07 09/22/07 (1)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 12:22:42 09/25/07 (0)

RE: That clears up a lot! - Pat D 07:44:06 09/22/07 (0)

RE: A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - thetubeguy1954 07:27:30 09/21/07 (3)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:35:54 09/21/07 (0)

RE: A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - gymwear5@hotmail.com 10:49:33 09/21/07 (0)

RE: A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - Pat D 07:57:16 09/21/07 (0)

I think making measurements or studying measurements made by others before an audition may be a mistake - Richard BassNut Greene 09:10:33 09/20/07 (9)

You're confusing measurements with "specifications" - Presto 12:21:26 09/20/07 (8)

I may be confused about things in general, but I'm not confusing measurements and specs - Richard BassNut Greene 14:16:57 09/21/07 (0)

Name them... - rick_m 19:46:48 09/20/07 (4)

Interesting stuff. Read this article on the FTC amp rules... - Presto 22:39:33 09/20/07 (3)

Bummer... - rick_m 08:04:57 09/21/07 (2)

RE: Bummer... - Dan Banquer 08:37:05 09/21/07 (0)

It certainly is! (nt) - Pat D 08:29:58 09/21/07 (0)

RE: You're confusing measurements with "specifications" - thetubeguy1954 13:10:37 09/20/07 (1)

Ooops. That was for you, Tubeguy, not RBNG... but anyways... - Presto 15:34:40 09/20/07 (0)

Does your "Objectivists" exist? - soulfood 16:50:30 09/19/07 (50)

Not many objectivists nor many subjectivists exist - kerr 07:41:12 09/20/07 (20)

Did you exaggerate to make your point? - soulfood 10:03:39 09/20/07 (6)

Slightly, perhaps - kerr 10:27:00 09/20/07 (5)

"Assuming you're more objectivist than subjectivist, would you like to start? " Oh boy! - soulfood 16:02:55 09/20/07 (4)

RE: "Assuming you're more objectivist than subjectivist, would you like to start? " Oh boy! - kerr 17:28:01 09/20/07 (3)

Never a non-response from the good people ("seekers of truth"). - soulfood 20:41:34 09/20/07 (2)

On our POV? Yes, you're correct. Happy to see you noticed (nt) - kerr 04:11:39 09/21/07 (1)

Yourself excluded, another manufactured entity. (nt) - soulfood 04:30:02 09/21/07 (0)

100% Correct Kerr - thetubeguy1954 08:13:02 09/20/07 (10)

Sorry Kerr and TG54, but being between two extremes is not a criterion of truth. - Pat D 06:23:31 09/21/07 (9)

But on the other hand ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:44:56 09/22/07 (0)

True enough - kerr 07:44:46 09/21/07 (2)

(maybe) "we could get some sense knocked into us subjectivists?" - Richard BassNut Greene 14:22:26 09/21/07 (1)

That wasn't funny! - kerr 17:05:30 09/21/07 (0)

RE: Sorry Kerr and TG54, but being between two extremes is not a criterion of truth. - thetubeguy1954 07:30:14 09/21/07 (4)

RE: Sorry Kerr and TG54, but being between two extremes is not a criterion of truth. - Pat D 08:32:20 09/21/07 (3)

90% Of What You Post (NT) - thetubeguy1954 09:02:30 09/21/07 (2)

As I thought, no evidence at all. - Pat D 11:51:01 09/21/07 (1)

Look In The Mirror! - thetubeguy1954 12:31:50 09/21/07 (0)

Who died and made you the Ambassador of Peace and Goodwill among Audiophiles? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:09:33 09/20/07 (1)

I have my own category??? - kerr 08:32:02 09/20/07 (0)

RE: Does your "Objectivists" exist? - thetubeguy1954 05:45:06 09/20/07 (28)

"They believe Subjectivists feel ALL measurements [etc.] are useless." Yes. And it's a FALSE belief! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:46:00 09/20/07 (0)

"Personally I don't understand a good portion of what a lot of the Objectivists here believe ... " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:40:35 09/20/07 (26)

Sorry Richard But You're Incorrect! - thetubeguy1954 08:24:57 09/20/07 (24)

RE: Sorry Richard But You're Incorrect! - Steve Eddy 08:59:50 09/20/07 (22)

Actually Steve - thetubeguy1954 05:54:49 09/21/07 (21)

RE: Actually Steve - Steve Eddy 09:02:23 09/21/07 (20)

I don't Know Of ANY Objectivists Here Who... - thetubeguy1954 09:13:43 09/21/07 (19)

RE: I don't Know Of ANY Objectivists Here Who... - Steve Eddy 09:42:05 09/21/07 (18)

RE: I don't Know Of ANY Objectivists Here Who... - thetubeguy1954 11:03:17 09/21/07 (17)

RE: I don't Know Of ANY Objectivists Here Who... - Steve Eddy 12:02:45 09/21/07 (16)

Oh, NO!!!!! - kerr 13:35:00 09/21/07 (3)

RE: Oh, NO!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 15:10:32 09/23/07 (0)

RE: Oh, NO!!!!! - AJinFLA 13:57:35 09/21/07 (1)

RE: Oh, NO!!!!! - kerr 17:00:01 09/21/07 (0)

a) Taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision...Bingo! (nt) - AJinFLA 13:08:30 09/21/07 (0)

RE: I don't Know Of ANY Objectivists Here Who... - thetubeguy1954 12:36:34 09/21/07 (1)

RE: I don't Know Of ANY Objectivists Here Who... - Steve Eddy 19:35:48 09/21/07 (0)

Oh..no... I sense a YOU! WRONG! LIAR! forthcoming (nt) - AJinFLA 12:13:45 09/21/07 (8)

Say it isn't so! (nt) - Pat D 12:34:33 09/21/07 (7)

it isn't so! - thetubeguy1954 12:42:07 09/21/07 (6)

Are you the guy that found the singing frog? (nt) - Pat D 12:49:09 09/21/07 (5)

Nah The Frog Is A "Bi" Product Of You & Your Little Buddy FroLicking In The Playpen (nt) - thetubeguy1954 13:32:13 09/21/07 (0)

VERY provocative Pat. You liked that one huh :-) (nt) - AJinFLA 13:05:51 09/21/07 (3)

Giving credit where it's due... - kerr 13:36:54 09/21/07 (2)

RE: Giving credit where it's due... - AJinFLA 13:44:59 09/21/07 (1)

Hey -- awesome! - kerr 17:07:15 09/21/07 (0)

Impossible, I haven't been incorrect since 1964 - Richard BassNut Greene 08:48:24 09/20/07 (0)

"But decades of blind test results ..." - bjh 08:04:14 09/20/07 (0)

Missing a point? - tomservo 10:43:32 09/19/07 (11)

Missing a point? Let's check: Engineering theory-no Measurements-no Ears-yes Brain-no. Hey, 1 of 4 ain't bad :-) - AJinFLA 15:16:27 09/19/07 (0)

RE: Missing a point? - thetubeguy1954 14:27:03 09/19/07 (9)

Sorry to hear - Russ57 15:39:01 09/19/07 (8)

RE: Sorry to hear - AJinFLA 16:04:13 09/19/07 (7)

A work in progress - Russ57 16:52:28 09/19/07 (6)

Slow work takes time - AJinFLA 14:14:19 09/20/07 (5)

RE: Slow work takes time - The Bored 14:58:33 09/20/07 (4)

"Banner"? What's that? "Audio Circle"? Who they? Worth checking out? Are they competitors? nt - clarkjohnsen 08:43:38 09/21/07 (0)

RE: Slow work takes time - AJinFLA 15:07:53 09/20/07 (2)

RE: Slow work takes time - The Bored 09/20/0715:16:46 09/20/07 (1)

RE: Slow work takes time - AJinFLA 15:57:07 09/20/07 (0)

The correct answer is "all of the above"...(nt) - mkuller 09:29:55 09/19/07 (0)

1977 Stereophile Article on Amplifier Distortion - geoffkait 09:11:08 09/19/07 (15)

RE: 1977 Stereophile Article on Amplifier Distortion - Awe-d-o-file 17:19:28 09/20/07 (1)

RE: 1977 Stereophile Article on Amplifier Distortion - geoffkait 07:25:19 09/21/07 (0)

Well, well, well - clarkjohnsen 10:38:39 09/19/07 (12)

You are so wrong it is beyond pathetic! - bjh 12:14:24 09/19/07 (11)

"What is it the objectivists never tire of telling us?" ...... That you are a buffoon? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:34:40 09/20/07 (4)

I was... - bjh 09:39:47 09/20/07 (0)

Richard, BJH Is An Equal Opportunity Meglomaniac - thetubeguy1954 08:44:54 09/20/07 (2)

Is that good or bad? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:58:42 09/20/07 (1)

It's BJH, It HAS To Be Bad - thetubeguy1954 11:54:43 09/20/07 (0)

BJH You are so wrong it is beyond pathetic! - thetubeguy1954 06:04:12 09/20/07 (5)

"Then these same lovers of measurements and DBTs..." And there you have it! - clarkjohnsen 08:39:59 09/20/07 (0)

RE: BJH You are so wrong it is beyond pathetic! - bjh 07:25:49 09/20/07 (3)

Uh-oh (nt) - AJinFLA 07:36:38 09/20/07 (2)

I wish he would learn his limits ... - bjh 07:44:01 09/20/07 (1)

BGH I Still Remember When You Thought EVERYONE - thetubeguy1954 08:30:22 09/20/07 (0)

Regarding the former, everyone's gotta read Charles Hansen's forceful letter on p.208 of the Oct. SP. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:42:18 09/19/07 (2)

Can you summarize it for me as I'm no longer a reader of either? - tlyyra 12:23:03 09/19/07 (0)

SP eh. Hang on, I'll retrieve it from the bottom of the bird cage....Ran out of newspaper y'know (nt) - AJinFLA 10:30:44 09/19/07 (0)

The third option truthseekerprime mentioned - KlausR. 05:06:52 09/19/07 (23)

I'm game! - bjh 10:08:40 09/19/07 (6)

ps - bjh 05:15:09 09/20/07 (5)

I think you are third on the list - Russ57 13:58:23 09/20/07 (4)

I dunno... - bjh 14:24:24 09/20/07 (3)

I'm Willing To Forward The CD - thetubeguy1954 05:24:09 09/21/07 (2)

Thanks, you have mail. PLUS ---) Suggestion for Participants (-- - bjh 08:00:43 09/21/07 (1)

Everything is on one CD - Russ57 16:01:16 09/21/07 (0)

RE: The third option truthseekerprime mentioned - thetubeguy1954 05:55:42 09/19/07 (15)

RE: Points 1-3 - KlausR. 06:58:00 09/19/07 (6)

RE: Points 1-3 - thetubeguy1954 10:31:04 09/19/07 (0)

I am game but... - Russ57 07:37:40 09/19/07 (4)

Hey Russ57 - thetubeguy1954 07:01:36 09/20/07 (2)

Did you get my email? - Russ57 07:15:51 09/21/07 (1)

RE: Did you get my email? - thetubeguy1954 09:16:07 09/21/07 (0)

You have mail... - KlausR. 09:22:59 09/19/07 (0)

"...yet not one Objectivist will come here so I can provide said proof!" - truthseekerprime 06:05:59 09/19/07 (7)

RE: "...yet not one Objectivist will come here so I can provide said proof!" - thetubeguy1954 10:32:51 09/19/07 (0)

Come where? The haunted house silly! How else ya gonna hear dem ghosts? Over the telephone line? Sheesh (nt) - AJinFLA 06:28:17 09/19/07 (5)

I'm scared! - truthseekerprime 06:44:47 09/19/07 (4)

Do you remember the Singing Frog? - AJinFLA 07:43:14 09/19/07 (3)

My hero! - Pat D 12:42:36 09/21/07 (0)

One of the greatest cartoons of all time! - andy_c 17:16:19 09/19/07 (1)

Oh yes and for those not as familiar, the gentleman did end up in...an Asylum :-). (nt) - AJinFLA 07:47:21 09/22/07 (0)

Yup yup, I'm certain, that one was .05% THD, the one just before was .03%. - bjh 22:41:20 09/18/07 (0)

RE: A Challenge To Measurements & DBT Proponents - Todd Krieger 20:41:47 09/18/07 (1)

Good post.... - SF tech 21:13:13 09/18/07 (0)

or 3) the test subject hasn't learned to correlate measured parameters with what he thinks he's hearing. n/t - Ugly 20:38:25 09/18/07 (1)

Test? Correlate?? Measure??? Parameters???? THINK?????....Huh?..What? n/t - AJinFLA 15:22:51 09/19/07 (0)

or my response, 3) I'm too lazy. -nt - Axon 20:29:53 09/18/07 (0)

looking for elephants with a microscope. - chris_w 16:25:35 09/18/07 (2)

RE: looking for elephants with a microscope. - Todd Krieger 20:52:55 09/18/07 (1)

RE: looking for elephants with a microscope. - chris_w 00:39:55 09/19/07 (0)

I'm afraid you missed something... - truthseekerprime 14:52:23 09/18/07 (4)

RE: I'm afraid you missed something... - Todd Krieger 21:02:56 09/18/07 (3)

"But the problem isn't whether or not measurements are more-sensitive within each measurement's scope" - truthseekerprime 05:59:34 09/19/07 (0)

That *can* be shown. - tlyyra 04:26:54 09/19/07 (1)

What about... - bjh 14:29:40 09/19/07 (0)

Engineers figured out how to design good voltage multipliers in the 1960's - Richard BassNut Greene 13:42:12 09/18/07 (3)

RE: Engineers figured out how to design good voltage multipliers in the 1960's - morricab 09:14:24 09/20/07 (0)

RE: Engineers figured out how to design good voltage multipliers in the 1960's - rick_m 20:53:07 09/19/07 (0)

I Know YOU Believe This Richard - thetubeguy1954 14:21:55 09/18/07 (0)

You need to understand the measurements before you start dismissing them as irrelevant. (nt) - SF tech 13:18:08 09/18/07 (22)

Typical Objectivist Response - thetubeguy1954 14:12:46 09/18/07 (21)

Hmmm . . . you give some amp specs but not the frequency response. - Pat D 18:56:57 09/19/07 (10)

RE: Hmmm . . . you give some amp specs but not the frequency response. - thetubeguy1954 06:42:04 09/20/07 (9)

RE: Hmmm . . . you give some amp specs but not the frequency response. - Pat D 11:49:48 09/20/07 (8)

RE: Hmmm . . . you give some amp specs but not the frequency response. - thetubeguy1954 13:36:49 09/20/07 (7)

You missed the point about your confusing specs and measurements. - Pat D 15:12:03 09/20/07 (6)

Sorry You Cannot Follow This Simple Posts. I Cannot Dumb Them Down Any Further For You.... - thetubeguy1954 19:06:47 09/20/07 (5)

Just because measurements are of no use to *you* for predicting sound quality . . . - Pat D 06:12:20 09/21/07 (4)

RE: Just because measurements are of no use to *you* for predicting sound quality . . . - thetubeguy1954 07:45:54 09/21/07 (3)

RE: Just because measurements are of no use to *you* for predicting sound quality . . . - Pat D 08:28:34 09/21/07 (2)

RE: Just because measurements are of no use to *you* for predicting sound quality . . . - thetubeguy1954 13:45:18 09/21/07 (1)

So now you change your ground . . . - Pat D 17:09:50 09/21/07 (0)

"I don't just dismiss measurements..." You just did! - SF tech 14:38:25 09/18/07 (9)

RE: "I don't just dismiss measurements..." You just did! - thetubeguy1954 06:21:31 09/19/07 (6)

Sorry, you're backtracking... - SF tech 14:01:39 09/19/07 (5)

RE: Sorry, you're backtracking... - thetubeguy1954 08:37:26 09/20/07 (4)

You seem to have a pathological need to label people on this forum... - SF tech 11:48:21 09/20/07 (3)

RE: You seem to have a pathological need to label people on this forum... - thetubeguy1954 14:22:12 09/20/07 (2)

Nah, I'm done trying to talk sense to you... - SF tech 15:01:30 09/20/07 (1)

Nah, You're Just Tired Of Being Shown To Be Wrong! - thetubeguy1954 19:11:23 09/20/07 (0)

RE: "I don't just dismiss measurements..." You just did! - theaudiohobby 05:14:16 09/19/07 (1)

RE: "I don't just dismiss measurements..." You just did! - thetubeguy1954 06:24:46 09/19/07 (0)

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RE: Slow work takes time - The Bored 09/20/0715:16:46 09/20/07 (1)

RE: Slow work takes time - AJinFLA 15:57:07 09/20/07 (0)

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Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...
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