But the "objectivists" just don't "get it". nt - clarkjohnsen

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Topic - Could this be the answer to the objectivist/subjectivist debate? - The Real Dick Hertz 13:12:18 02/27/07 (157)

Even if the test were perfect... - andy_c 09:45:41 03/3/07 (1)

How true... - Wellfed 11:44:43 03/3/07 (0)

Even if the software were perfect .... - Jon Risch 20:16:54 03/1/07 (56)

nonsense - bwaslo 15:55:46 03/3/07 (6)

My Reply (long) - Jon Risch 16:33:58 03/12/07 (0)

I raise you a Balderdash - Jon Risch 21:20:44 03/4/07 (0)

Re: nonsense - john curl 17:09:04 03/3/07 (3)

Re: nonsense - bwaslo 19:56:40 03/3/07 (2)

What I think he's saying is... - Presto 12:05:33 03/6/07 (0)

Re: nonsense - john curl 23:03:15 03/3/07 (0)

Re: Even if the software were perfect .... - tomservo 13:32:40 03/3/07 (1)

Re: Even if the software were perfect .... - Jon Risch 16:37:48 03/12/07 (0)

While what you say appears intuitively obvious to many, thanks for the well-thought-out details. Plus... - clarkjohnsen 11:26:54 03/2/07 (7)

Re: trained listeners who are familiar with real differences - jensw 15:38:39 03/2/07 (2)

Eggs Ackley! Does anything else make sense? nt - clarkjohnsen 13:03:47 03/3/07 (1)

In the process from start to end, yes. In the end, no. nt - jensw 19:36:46 03/3/07 (0)

Re: While what you say appears intuitively obvious to many, thanks for the well-thought-out details. Plus... - Ugly 12:49:28 03/2/07 (2)

Thanks for the *rational* expansion of my thoughts, it contrasts nicely with the Floridian's. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:02:43 03/3/07 (1)

Trained by whom? Tested how? Familiar with imaginary differences too? (nt) - AJinFLA 11:43:47 03/4/07 (0)

..trained listeners who are familiar with real differences. Right. Trained by self delusion. Certifiably superstitious. - AJinFLA 12:45:33 03/2/07 (0)

Re: Even if the software were perfect .... - Ugly 10:01:27 03/2/07 (5)

Re: Even if the software were perfect .... - Jon Risch 09:02:06 03/3/07 (4)

Re: Even if the software were perfect .... - Ugly 14:51:45 03/3/07 (0)

"Just not true." Worth repeating: Just not true. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:06:43 03/3/07 (2)

Debatable! unproveable either way, although... - Ugly 14:56:39 03/3/07 (1)

Doh! Magoo was blind wasn't he? Oh well, you get it NT - Ugly 15:10:03 03/3/07 (0)

Without addressing each point of your well-thought reply... - The Real Dick Hertz 21:08:02 03/1/07 (32)

Re: Without addressing each point of your well-thought reply... - Jon Risch 08:40:22 03/3/07 (21)

Well, I never suggested any sound card... - The Real Dick Hertz 15:53:20 03/3/07 (19)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - andy19191 02:47:20 03/4/07 (18)

"They are simply asking you to accept their assertions about perceived sound differences." LOL! No way! - clarkjohnsen 10:25:51 03/5/07 (2)

Absolutely correct - kerr 11:37:38 03/5/07 (1)

But the "objectivists" just don't "get it". nt - clarkjohnsen 03/5/0712:32:03 03/5/07 (0)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - john curl 11:46:17 03/4/07 (14)

Begging your pardon, but I've never claimed to be proficient in that field. Do, please, however... - clarkjohnsen 10:30:52 03/5/07 (0)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - andy19191 13:46:54 03/4/07 (12)

"Clark openly admits science does not apply to audio." Got some Chapter & Verse on that, pal? - clarkjohnsen 10:49:14 03/5/07 (0)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - Jon Risch 21:13:05 03/4/07 (7)

Damn, we almost met once! - clarkjohnsen 10:55:03 03/5/07 (0)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - andy19191 00:52:22 03/5/07 (5)

Andy, now let's see your CV...(nt) - mkuller 18:46:32 03/7/07 (0)

"audiophile products like Klaus's resonating cups." Man you are a hoot! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:59:17 03/5/07 (0)

Dismissed out of hand for supporting DIY cables - Jon Risch 10:15:57 03/5/07 (0)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - john curl 09:12:28 03/5/07 (1)

Well said, on the AES! I treated them similarly, although at greater length, in The Wood Effect. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:57:27 03/5/07 (0)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - john curl 14:08:49 03/4/07 (2)

Re: Well, I never suggested any sound card... - andy19191 23:29:22 03/4/07 (1)

Or.. - mkuller 10:26:36 03/6/07 (0)

This is all so sensible... I hope Mr. Waslo is following these threads. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:08:36 03/3/07 (0)

Would you listen for... - mkuller 10:20:14 03/2/07 (0)

I think he already answered that - E-Stat 08:22:55 03/2/07 (8)

Then my next question would be... - The Real Dick Hertz 13:08:21 03/2/07 (7)

"better resolution than most listeners' ears" - E-Stat 06:42:54 03/3/07 (6)

I imagine soundcards by Lynx would fall into that catagory. - The Real Dick Hertz 16:12:56 03/3/07 (4)

Did you note that Mr. Waslo - E-Stat 10:44:48 03/4/07 (3)

Perhaps you could point that out in the link I provided. - The Real Dick Hertz 16:56:34 03/4/07 (2)

Here - E-Stat 18:01:04 03/4/07 (1)

Thanks. I didn't see that in the link. - The Real Dick Hertz 07:09:20 03/5/07 (0)

Yes, "Chapter and Verse" please. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:09:34 03/3/07 (0)

The real $64,000 question/s. - Ugly 11:19:10 02/28/07 (2)

Any discovered differences will not be mappable onto actual sonic qualities... - clarkjohnsen 12:02:23 03/2/07 (1)

Totally! That's what I'm afraid of. N/T - Ugly 12:56:02 03/2/07 (0)

Like it or not, there is always sonic difference, cords or whatever. - cheap-Jack 07:39:23 02/28/07 (3)

Re: Like it or not, there is always sonic difference, cords or whatever. - bwaslo 12:45:52 02/28/07 (2)

Yes, I do care. - cheap-Jack 07:21:11 03/1/07 (1)

Re: Yes, I do care. - bwaslo 16:08:48 03/3/07 (0)

This is exactly the sort of thing I have been suggesting as a first step - Analog Scott 16:50:56 02/27/07 (16)

You've been suggesting something? - Pat D 06:00:32 02/28/07 (15)

I have made many - Analog Scott 07:12:22 02/28/07 (14)

Why don't you answer the question? - Pat D 08:11:42 02/28/07 (13)

What don't you understand about "I have made many?" - Analog Scott 08:20:01 02/28/07 (12)

Not responsive. Where are they? - Pat D 09:47:36 02/28/07 (11)

Not responsive? I've answered your question twice. "Where are they?" On various audio forums - Analog Scott 14:57:34 02/28/07 (10)

"J'habite la voie lactÃ©e . . ." - Pat D 07:10:15 03/1/07 (9)

Wow. Arrogant AND pretentious. aucun texte ne suite. - robert young 15:33:02 03/1/07 (8)

"addresse inutile sur des milliards de milles" - Pat D 18:51:23 03/1/07 (7)

Really?? "Too much?" - robert young 10:35:26 03/2/07 (6)

Did you follow the conversation? - Pat D 11:39:07 03/2/07 (5)

Yes, Pat, I followed the conversation. - robert young 11:51:10 03/4/07 (2)

I more a senior philosopher, thank you. - Pat D 19:01:07 03/4/07 (1)

Touche! (aucun texte ne suit) - robert young 06:32:57 03/5/07 (0)

No, but... - kerr 13:48:28 03/2/07 (1)

Re: No, but... - Pat D 15:12:45 03/2/07 (0)

I don't think anyone really WANTS an answer... - musetap 15:37:12 02/27/07 (58)

Re: I don't think anyone really WANTS an answer... - bwaslo 16:16:19 03/3/07 (0)

Re: I don't think anyone really WANTS an answer... - Dan Banquer 09:31:00 02/28/07 (56)

A real job....like you? LOL!...(nt) - mkuller 10:01:39 02/28/07 (55)

You're mistaken - E-Stat 10:34:22 02/28/07 (0)

So how are things in the mail room Mike? - Dan Banquer 10:04:25 02/28/07 (53)

Re: So how are things in the mail room Mike? - morricab 13:51:24 02/28/07 (52)

The answer is obvious in his reply - E-Stat 06:33:47 03/1/07 (5)

Pearls Before Swine - Dan Banquer 13:43:00 03/5/07 (4)

Ever the cheerful (non) manufacturer - E-Stat 16:59:37 03/5/07 (1)

Well Excuse me! - Dan Banquer 04:23:15 03/6/07 (0)

Re: Pearls Before Swine - john curl 14:53:19 03/5/07 (1)

Do you have your clever little clock yet? - Dan Banquer 04:19:04 03/6/07 (0)

Did you get your Clever Little Clock yet? - Dan Banquer 05:13:01 03/1/07 (45)

Re: Did you get your Clever Little Clock yet? - morricab 05:47:44 03/4/07 (36)

Re: Did you get your Clever Little Clock yet? - Dan Banquer 10:17:35 03/5/07 (1)

Re: Did you get your Clever Little Clock yet? - andy19191 07:44:06 03/4/07 (34)

As you know - E-Stat 10:52:18 03/4/07 (33)

Re: As if you do? - Dan Banquer 13:03:40 03/5/07 (32)

Is this why your company failed? - E-Stat 17:05:35 03/5/07 (31)

I closed my company due to................. - Dan Banquer 04:33:07 03/6/07 (30)

Full details of my systems have been available for years - E-Stat 19:01:39 03/6/07 (4)

No CLC? - Dan Banquer 06:38:56 03/7/07 (3)

Don't recall his ever talking about clocks - E-Stat 07:34:40 03/7/07 (2)

Be sure to tell him the following. - Dan Banquer 16:09:52 03/7/07 (1)

Will do - E-Stat 11:30:39 03/8/07 (0)

Re: I closed my company due to................. - morricab 07:37:55 03/6/07 (24)

Re: I closed my company due to................. - Dan Banquer 09:53:32 03/6/07 (5)

Re: I closed my company due to................. - morricab 17:17:55 03/6/07 (4)

You don't own a CLC? - Dan Banquer 04:23:39 03/7/07 (3)

Re: You don't own a CLC? - morricab 07:19:31 03/7/07 (2)

You will learn the hard way - Dan Banquer 11:27:36 03/7/07 (1)

Re: You will learn the hard way - morricab 09:19:06 03/8/07 (0)

Re: "puts me in bed with Geoff Kait and his ilk" - geoffkait 08:07:22 03/6/07 (12)

Re: "puts me in bed with Geoff Kait and his ilk" - morricab 17:16:01 03/6/07 (11)

Re: "puts me in bed with Geoff Kait and his ilk" - Dan Banquer 06:44:00 03/7/07 (1)

Re: "puts me in bed with Geoff Kait and his ilk" - morricab 07:24:13 03/7/07 (0)

Re: "Beyond debating your products" - geoffkait 02:37:48 03/7/07 (8)

Re: "Beyond debating your products" - morricab 07:22:42 03/7/07 (7)

Re: "Light Matter Interaction" - geoffkait 07:55:47 03/7/07 (6)

Re: "Light Matter Interaction" - morricab 09:47:31 03/7/07 (5)

Re: "Light Matter Interaction" - geoffkait 10:02:35 03/7/07 (4)

Re: "Light Matter Interaction" - morricab 01:22:34 03/8/07 (3)

Re: "Light Matter Interaction" - geoffkait 03:21:20 03/8/07 (2)

Re: "Light Matter Interaction" - morricab 05:59:25 03/8/07 (1)

Re: "Light Matter Interaction" - geoffkait 06:30:09 03/8/07 (0)

One last thing - morricab 07:40:49 03/6/07 (4)

Oh yeah; I'm just laughing so hard on that one. - Dan Banquer 09:57:31 03/6/07 (3)

Re: Oh yeah; I'm just laughing so hard on that one. - morricab 02:07:16 03/7/07 (2)

Re: Oh yeah; I'm just laughing so hard on that one. - Dan Banquer 04:28:13 03/7/07 (1)

Re: Oh yeah; I'm just laughing so hard on that one. - morricab 07:25:01 03/7/07 (0)

Hypocrisy? - robert young 15:28:05 03/1/07 (0)

Who turned YOUR business upside down - you...(nt) - mkuller 10:01:43 03/1/07 (6)

Do you have your Clever Little Clock Yet?nt - Dan Banquer 13:06:46 03/5/07 (5)

So when will your earthshattering article with SM on NFB debut at alcoholics? - E-Stat 17:41:56 03/5/07 (4)

Should I even bother? - Dan Banquer 04:28:52 03/6/07 (3)

Hehe - E-Stat 19:54:08 03/6/07 (2)

Re: Ho ho - Dan Banquer 04:31:53 03/7/07 (1)

The best part is - E-Stat 06:14:42 03/7/07 (0)

There is no answer... - mkuller 14:55:52 02/27/07 (0)

LOL! It won't even let one assess the difference between CD and vinyl! Or, more strictly speaking... - clarkjohnsen 13:51:40 02/27/07 (5)

Re: LOL! It won't even let one assess the difference between CD and vinyl! Or, more strictly speaking... - bwaslo 14:13:58 02/27/07 (4)

Immune to irony and humor, I see. Very well, carry on. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:30:54 02/28/07 (0)

Shooting the test down before hearing it. - The Real Dick Hertz 14:25:44 02/27/07 (1)

Lots... - Wellfed 14:52:50 02/27/07 (0)

Re: LOL! It won't even let one assess the difference between CD and vinyl! Or, more strictly speaking... - bwaslo 14:15:35 02/27/07 (0)

Well, the $64,000 question is - E-Stat 13:23:20 02/27/07 (7)

Re: Well, the $64,000 question is - bwaslo 14:03:37 02/27/07 (5)

Well - E-Stat 15:57:58 02/27/07 (4)

Re: Well - bwaslo 17:36:13 02/27/07 (1)

I'll combine responses to both your posts - E-Stat 08:25:22 02/28/07 (0)

Re: Well - bwaslo 17:26:56 02/27/07 (1)

Well, if your intent isn't to take away my toys... - Wellfed 19:01:58 02/27/07 (0)

Well it's just the 1.01 version... nt - clarkjohnsen 13:52:15 02/27/07 (0)

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But the "objectivists" just don't "get it". nt - clarkjohnsen 03/5/0712:32:03 03/5/07 (0)