"Subjective observations have no scientific respectability unless backed up with numbers."

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Topic - "I feel this is the first really significant contribution to the audio field in years." - Richard BassNut Greene 08:07:04 03/18/08 (81)

Oh, well, never mind. nt - Norm 20:35:45 03/18/08 (0)

ROTFLMAO!!!! - Don T 13:59:34 03/18/08 (0)

Now go read... - mkuller 11:07:37 03/18/08 (37)

Jon Risch makes extraordinary claims about his hearing ability that I believe are 100% false -- why trust him? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:31:29 03/19/08 (36)

The usual BassNut BS - Jon Risch 19:10:19 03/19/08 (7)

Yes Jon This Is The Usual BassNut B$hit - thetubeguy1954 08:20:03 03/21/08 (0)

RE: Dielectric list. - rick_m 14:33:09 03/20/08 (0)

If you can hear differences among one dozen wire insulation materials in DBTs, then I'll eat my hat - Richard BassNut Greene 09:07:54 03/20/08 (3)

Mr. Peabody's Improbable History - andy_c 12:41:57 03/20/08 (0)

Do all hats taste the same? - kerr 10:40:11 03/20/08 (1)

No, some taste like chicken (nt) - AJinFLA 20:35:40 03/20/08 (0)

Speaking of which - E-Stat 20:43:59 03/19/08 (0)

IOW DBTs are only valid if you agree with the results - Analog Scott 07:43:04 03/19/08 (27)

Actually DBT's are only valid for the participants, equipment and recordings used - Richard BassNut Greene 07:57:42 03/19/08 (26)

"In addition the results also only apply to the day of the test." - pburant 09:32:26 03/19/08 (1)

If people are wild guessing about A or B the results are likely to vary slightly each time a test is done - Richard BassNut Greene 09:41:54 03/19/08 (0)

irony sets in. By your logic you can't recomend anything based on DBTs. - Analog Scott 09:01:12 03/19/08 (23)

You assume Risch is honest - Richard BassNut Greene 09:44:46 03/19/08 (22)

No you assume he is dishonest because you don't like his results - Analog Scott 09:51:06 03/19/08 (21)

What results? - AJinFLA 20:18:16 03/20/08 (4)

Do you know who you are talking to? - Analog Scott 13:53:27 03/23/08 (3)

I'm talking to make up artist Analog Scott - AJinFLA 14:14:41 03/23/08 (2)

i see you just don't understand simple English - Analog Scott 14:24:45 03/23/08 (1)

Indeed I have not picked and chosen "them" - AJinFLA 15:06:38 03/23/08 (0)

Bogus extraordinary unwitnessed claims that no one else in the world has claimed ... are not "test results" - Richard BassNut Greene 10:02:37 03/19/08 (15)

Your attacks on Risch are truly pathetic. - Analog Scott 10:19:02 03/19/08 (14)

"you don't like the results" . - AJinFLA 20:21:10 03/20/08 (7)

Why don't you aks the guy who came up with them or the guy objecting to them? - Analog Scott 13:54:41 03/23/08 (6)

I am asking you Scotty. What "Results"? We'll understand if you are forced to do what you do best - AJinFLA 14:21:14 03/23/08 (5)

RE: I am asking you Scotty. What "Results"? We'll understand if you are forced to do what you do best - Analog Scott 14:36:25 03/23/08 (4)

"the results that Jon Risch came up with" - AJinFLA 15:19:04 03/23/08 (3)

There are no results -- just unbelievable claims about what wire insulators sound best on a website - Richard BassNut Greene 07:05:16 03/24/08 (2)

Makeup Artistry? (nt) - AJinFLA 15:16:32 03/24/08 (0)

RE: Thanks for the data. - rick_m 08:34:52 03/24/08 (0)

I question extraordinary hearing ability claims with no witnesses no matter who makes them. - Richard BassNut Greene 09:34:26 03/20/08 (5)

RBG Question's Anyones Hearing Ability, Even With Witnesses If He Doesn't Like The Results - thetubeguy1954 08:48:13 03/21/08 (2)

You claimed you could hear cable differences with brand namers hidden, but did no blind test to prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 12:13:18 03/21/08 (1)

RE: You claimed you could hear cable differences with brand namers hidden, but did no blind test to prove it - thetubeguy1954 12:59:57 03/21/08 (0)

RE: extraordinary hearing ability claims. - rick_m 18:47:03 03/20/08 (0)

What then of substantiated claims? - E-Stat 12:15:37 03/20/08 (0)

Going "green" are ya?... But I don't think that's what they meant by recycling. LOL. - bjh 10:37:14 03/18/08 (0)

When You Read The Entire Article It Is Richard - thetubeguy1954 10:11:04 03/18/08 (7)

Holt obviously found his ears were NOT as good as he claimed so ... - Richard BassNut Greene 10:21:16 03/18/08 (6)

Holt Obviously Found His Ears WERE As Good As He Claimed... - thetubeguy1954 11:48:26 03/18/08 (4)

"How do you guys drive cars? Can you ever really be sure the car in front of you is really there?" Oh, BURN! n - clarkjohnsen 10:37:29 03/19/08 (1)

Well we're both sure of one thing and that is: YOU*** ARE*** AN ..... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:50:34 03/20/08 (0)

Holt Obviously claimed His Ears WERE Good and never tested them - Richard BassNut Greene 09:48:55 03/19/08 (1)

RE: Holt Obviously claimed His Ears WERE Good and never tested them - thetubeguy1954 14:28:25 03/19/08 (0)

Sounds like you're retreating, RBNG. - robert young 11:35:57 03/18/08 (0)

RE: "I feel this is the first really significant contribution to the audio field in years." - Dan Banquer 09:43:06 03/18/08 (5)

Training is crucial... - mkuller 11:04:30 03/18/08 (3)

Training makes no difference with wires -- no one can ever hear differences other than SPL - Richard BassNut Greene 07:47:39 03/19/08 (2)

RE: Training makes no difference with wires -- no one can ever hear differences other than SPL - morricab 01:16:46 03/27/08 (0)

Speaking of auditory acuity - E-Stat 09:35:13 03/19/08 (0)

You've raised an important point - E-Stat 10:09:23 03/18/08 (0)

It is funny to see objectivists rallying around the pioneer of subjective reviewing - Analog Scott 09:36:06 03/18/08 (6)

RE: It is funny to see objectivists rallying around the pioneer of subjective reviewing - gymwear5@hotmail.com 12:32:33 03/18/08 (5)

A writer ruined high end audio? - Analog Scott 20:25:16 03/18/08 (4)

RE: A writer ruined high end audio? - gymwear5@hotmail.com 07:03:07 03/19/08 (3)

RE: A writer ruined high end audio? - rick_m 08:09:45 03/19/08 (2)

"Less than the number of folks who ended up with crap by believing Julian Hirsch." Touche! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:39:31 03/19/08 (1)

Which is even less than the number people believing in Clark Johnsen! Touche! nt - Dan Banquer 11:01:47 03/19/08 (0)

"Subjective observations have no scientific respectability unless backed up with numbers." - Enophile 03/18/0808:46:07 03/18/08 (18)

Some people enjoy learning more about their true hearing abilities rather than assuming everything sounds different - Richard BassNut Greene 09:47:24 03/18/08 (17)

"gaining knowledge through experiments IS fun." I agree, but it is not necessary to decide what I listen to. n - Norm 08:01:45 03/19/08 (0)

RE: Some people enjoy learning more about their true hearing abilities rather than assuming everything sounds different - Analog Scott 21:19:49 03/18/08 (0)

You are so right! - E-Stat 16:29:35 03/18/08 (0)

Attention, all color-blind owners of $99 Walmart Special TV sets! We BADLY need your input... - carcass93 10:17:48 03/18/08 (13)

My Zenith 19" TV cost $150 - Richard BassNut Greene 10:24:20 03/18/08 (12)

RE: My Zenith 19" TV cost $150 - Analog Scott 21:25:18 03/18/08 (0)

RE: My Zenith 19" TV cost $150 - thetubeguy1954 12:43:19 03/18/08 (10)

It takes a lot of training to be a staunch objectivist - kerr 13:46:08 03/18/08 (5)

Holy S.H.I.T.! Thas' funny, mon. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:43:12 03/19/08 (0)

Bwahahahahaha - E-Stat 16:33:05 03/18/08 (3)

Hey, man - kerr 18:36:20 03/18/08 (2)

Sign me up - E-Stat 19:05:57 03/18/08 (1)

Done - kerr 04:30:47 03/19/08 (0)

You're wrong about one thing - he's not "self-appointed savior of audiophiles", but rather... - carcass93 13:16:17 03/18/08 (3)

Ummmm . . . - Pat D 15:08:10 03/18/08 (2)

If you are right, we need new terms for those who trust their ears and those who want blind experiments. nt - Norm 07:59:53 03/19/08 (1)

Must we? - rick_m 10:40:34 03/19/08 (0)

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"Subjective observations have no scientific respectability unless backed up with numbers." - Enophile 03/18/0808:46:07 03/18/08 (18)

Some people enjoy learning more about their true hearing abilities rather than assuming everything sounds different - Richard BassNut Greene 09:47:24 03/18/08 (17)

"gaining knowledge through experiments IS fun." I agree, but it is not necessary to decide what I listen to. n - Norm 08:01:45 03/19/08 (0)

RE: Some people enjoy learning more about their true hearing abilities rather than assuming everything sounds different - Analog Scott 21:19:49 03/18/08 (0)

You are so right! - E-Stat 16:29:35 03/18/08 (0)

Attention, all color-blind owners of $99 Walmart Special TV sets! We BADLY need your input... - carcass93 10:17:48 03/18/08 (13)

My Zenith 19" TV cost $150 - Richard BassNut Greene 10:24:20 03/18/08 (12)

RE: My Zenith 19" TV cost $150 - Analog Scott 21:25:18 03/18/08 (0)

RE: My Zenith 19" TV cost $150 - thetubeguy1954 12:43:19 03/18/08 (10)

It takes a lot of training to be a staunch objectivist - kerr 13:46:08 03/18/08 (5)

Holy S.H.I.T.! Thas' funny, mon. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:43:12 03/19/08 (0)

Bwahahahahaha - E-Stat 16:33:05 03/18/08 (3)

Hey, man - kerr 18:36:20 03/18/08 (2)

Sign me up - E-Stat 19:05:57 03/18/08 (1)

Done - kerr 04:30:47 03/19/08 (0)

You're wrong about one thing - he's not "self-appointed savior of audiophiles", but rather... - carcass93 13:16:17 03/18/08 (3)

Ummmm . . . - Pat D 15:08:10 03/18/08 (2)

If you are right, we need new terms for those who trust their ears and those who want blind experiments. nt - Norm 07:59:53 03/19/08 (1)

Must we? - rick_m 10:40:34 03/19/08 (0)

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