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In Reply to: RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester posted by tomsyl1 on June 3, 2008 at 16:05:02:
Hey Guys
Dont forget the capasitive coupling between the trany windings.
This will allow tons of this hi-slew rate digital switching pulses to traverses the transformer as hi-freq noise. And depending on the secondary of the transformer could actualy increase in power during the transit.
SMPS can be even worse there the noise freq is close to the swtiching freq or any of its harmonics.
Plus all this stuff being feed to the Neutral busbar and both inductivley and capactively coupled to the earth line, your potentialy into a hiding to nothing.
Chris.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomsyl1 18:16:47 06/2/08 (91)
- Is it not a wonderful thing (for being so uniquely prop-headed)... - clarkjohnsen 10:06:00 06/5/08 (12)
- Umm sure? If you say so? - Ugly 11:27:38 06/5/08 (11)
- We see you've never done any engineering. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:18:36 06/5/08 (9)
- So your experience as a professional engineer allows you prototypes before concepts? - Ugly 14:18:43 06/5/08 (8)
- Engineering, my man, is an iterative process. - clarkjohnsen 08:33:15 06/6/08 (7)
- Not always. It is possible to succeed on the first try. - Ugly 12:45:55 06/6/08 (6)
- Nailing everything on the first pass. Now there's a concept to... - clarkjohnsen 08:49:07 06/7/08 (0)
- Agreed - we're talking about a simple filter, after all - tomsyl1 15:59:28 06/6/08 (2)
- Took apart a NH - unclestu52 20:34:20 06/6/08 (1)
- RE: Took apart a NH - tomsyl1 02:32:10 06/8/08 (0)
- Always tinker.... - unclestu52 13:19:35 06/6/08 (1)
- Sure it does. It's an important distinction to make between product development and maintenance. - Ugly 15:43:18 06/6/08 (0)
- LOL ! - unclestu52 11:47:28 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - chris_w 01:32:41 06/4/08 (3)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomsyl1 08:35:47 06/4/08 (2)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - chris_w 15:15:42 06/4/08 (1)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomsyl1 22:26:27 06/4/08 (0)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - Steve Eddy 21:32:15 06/3/08 (6)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomsyl1 08:37:08 06/4/08 (5)
- What are you talking about ?!? - pburant 11:23:08 06/4/08 (4)
- RE: What are you talking about ?!? - tomsyl1 22:16:32 06/4/08 (0)
- If it's a blind test, how did they see the blinking???nt - jneutron 13:52:04 06/4/08 (2)
- Keep pedaling.....you'll catch up (nt) - pburant 14:02:18 06/4/08 (1)
- Pedals??? Pedals??? I thought they said Petals... - jneutron 06:36:52 06/5/08 (0)
- Why bother? - rick_m 20:11:56 06/3/08 (0)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomservo 12:39:50 06/3/08 (15)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomsyl1 14:30:50 06/3/08 (7)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomservo 15:23:08 06/3/08 (6)
- How about balanced 120V power for noise reduction? - Atexanathome 18:22:12 06/4/08 (3)
- RE: How about balanced 120V power for noise reduction? - Dan Banquer 12:32:02 06/5/08 (2)
- There's a lot of truth in that... - Atexanathome 15:27:10 06/5/08 (1)
- RE: There's a lot of truth in that... - Dan Banquer 15:43:06 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomsyl1 16:05:02 06/3/08 (1)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - chris_w 06/4/0815:43:35 06/4/08 (0)
- Which of the 30 odd RFI - E-Stat 13:44:37 06/3/08 (3)
- RE: Which of the 30 odd RFI - tomsyl1 14:33:13 06/3/08 (2)
- Maybe yes, maybe no - E-Stat 14:48:45 06/3/08 (1)
- RE: Maybe yes, maybe no - tomsyl1 19:40:00 06/3/08 (0)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - Dan Banquer 13:09:03 06/3/08 (2)
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - tomsyl1 14:38:40 06/3/08 (1)
- Right. nt - Dan Banquer 14:41:01 06/3/08 (0)
- I've not heard it, BUT HiFi-Tuning's Noise Destroyer sure works. - clarkjohnsen 11:32:55 06/3/08 (8)
- Thanks Clark - very helpful - tomsyl1 12:41:52 06/3/08 (7)
- "They wouldn't market something that didn't do good things." Hmmm... - clarkjohnsen 07:48:48 06/4/08 (6)
- RE: "They wouldn't market something that didn't do good things." Hmmm... - tomsyl1 09:01:26 06/4/08 (5)
- Those, and the sun spot cycle, and who knows what else? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:28:14 06/4/08 (4)
- RE: Those, and the sun spot cycle, and who knows what else? nt - tomsyl1 11:14:54 06/4/08 (3)
- Yes; and they come and go. No one knows (in audio). nt - clarkjohnsen 12:03:28 06/4/08 (2)
- Not to mention the phase of the moon, nt - Tony Lauck 18:55:54 06/4/08 (1)
- D'ya 'spose?... nt - clarkjohnsen 10:01:36 06/5/08 (0)
- Here's more detail from the manufacturer - E-Stat 09:54:44 06/3/08 (24)
- Dare to post its design block diagram to justify its claim? - cheap-Jack 10:37:11 06/3/08 (23)
- I don't have a block diagram to post - E-Stat 10:41:40 06/3/08 (22)
- Yea, yr link read like there is some some "stuff" worth exploring. - cheap-Jack 11:21:34 06/3/08 (21)
- The link Clark posted disproves PS's claim - tomsyl1 14:22:02 06/3/08 (0)
- Indeed that will require a *full* understanding of the active circuitry - E-Stat 11:37:15 06/3/08 (19)
- What purpose would active circuitry serve in a device like this? - tomsyl1 12:59:52 06/3/08 (7)
- I will simply quote Mr. McGowan's description of the device - E-Stat 13:31:46 06/3/08 (6)
- Then this device is tuned for audio-band noise. - Al Sekela 09:41:08 06/4/08 (2)
- RE: Then this device is tuned for audio-band noise. - tomsyl1 11:36:38 06/4/08 (1)
- I'm not much help, I'm afraid. - Al Sekela 09:36:45 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: I will simply quote Mr. McGowan's description of the device - tomsyl1 14:45:42 06/3/08 (0)
- Neary all the money go to build the LCD indicator electronics,... - cheap-Jack 13:49:06 06/3/08 (1)
- The "LCD indicator electronics"? - E-Stat 14:09:19 06/3/08 (0)
- Actually - unclestu52 11:45:42 06/3/08 (10)
- RE: Actually - tomsyl1 12:56:46 06/3/08 (7)
- RE: Actually - Ugly 14:39:13 06/3/08 (6)
- Proper solutions are not always available or practical - E-Stat 15:04:48 06/3/08 (5)
- RE: Proper solutions are not always available or practical - tomsyl1 16:16:06 06/3/08 (3)
- That's what I wanted to do - E-Stat 17:58:34 06/4/08 (2)
- RE: That's what I wanted to do - tomsyl1 17:32:30 06/5/08 (1)
- There's something to be said - E-Stat 18:27:31 06/5/08 (0)
- RE: Proper solutions are not always available or practical - Ugly 15:48:33 06/3/08 (0)
- Not only draining off the noises at simple. - cheap-Jack 12:42:35 06/3/08 (0)
- A common misconception. - Dan Banquer 12:03:10 06/3/08 (0)
- Yea, for 25 bucks cost, don't expect miracles. - cheap-Jack 09:26:37 06/3/08 (0)
- Perhaps you should take one apart and investigate - bjh 08:47:30 06/3/08 (10)
- RE: Perhaps you should take one apart and investigate - tomsyl1 16:29:01 06/3/08 (9)
- "I don't get your point." Then you're stupid! Nothing I can do about that. nt - bjh 06:43:19 06/4/08 (8)
- A special explanation just for bjh: - tomsyl1 11:09:44 06/4/08 (6)
- Let me see if I've got this correct.... - bjh 13:33:46 06/4/08 (5)
- RE: Let me see if I've got this correct.... - tomsyl1 14:49:53 06/4/08 (4)
- I have just examined all your posts in this thread - bjh 16:54:32 06/4/08 (3)
- Is that really what this was all about? - tomsyl1 17:58:10 06/4/08 (2)
- Still can't get, eh? It's OK, I see - bjh 19:25:55 06/4/08 (1)
- So you're off to learn html tags? Good. - tomsyl1 19:57:09 06/4/08 (0)
- RE: "I don't get your point." Then you're stupid! Nothing I can do about that. nt - tomsyl1 08:40:48 06/4/08 (0)
- IIRC, - unclestu52 22:21:00 06/2/08 (3)
- No. a stepdown transformer can't built so small ! - cheap-Jack 09:08:47 06/3/08 (1)
- RE: No. a stepdown transformer can't built so small ! - tomsyl1 16:34:06 06/3/08 (0)
- RE: IIRC, - tomsyl1 22:37:41 06/2/08 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Let's reverse-engineer the PS Audio Noise Harvester - chris_w 06/4/0815:43:35 06/4/08 (0)