I Just Keep Providing Real PROOF You Won'T Accept!

Posted by thetubeguy1954 (A) on December 28, 2006 at 05:59:18

In Reply to: So, you keep up your vicious campaign against me. posted by Pat D on December 27, 2006 at 14:33:12:

Pat D-Cake,

You're probably asking for citations because of what you believe! You stated in a recent post I can't find older posts by thetubeguy1954, either.
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=prophead&n=27337&highlight=Pat+D&r=&session=

So as you feel many of my posts have ben removed you're now comfortable demanding proof of something you actually said, but now denying saying. Which by the way is # 6 below: 6) Claim he didn't say something he said. This in and of itself proves my point that 1-10 are YOUR dirty tricks which you deny doing!

In addition to that you don't even know what lying really is! In your warped mind you believe not telling the truth is not the same thing as making a a deliberate false statement! For you stated that very thing in so many words in this post:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=prophead&n=27294&highlight=Pat+D&r=&session=

Next you try to weasel out of all your lies and dirty tricks but claiming in this post:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=prophead&n=27289&highlight=Pat+D&r=&session=

Where you lying Pat D-Cake claimed Please the following information:

1) Please provide documentation for your points 1-10 and a-d. (see below for a reference of 1-10 & A-D)

2) Please prove that I was wrong in each case.

1) Claim he's being misquoted
2) Claim he's being quoted out of context
3) Claim he's misunderstood
4) Claim he's being attacked, deceived or tricked etc
5) Claim his opponent doesn't think logically
6) Claim he didn't say something he said
7) Switch the actual topic to what he wants to debate
8) Blame others of doing the things he doesâ€
9) Make untrue claims like he's already proven that, when he hasn't
10)Ignore the questions he's asked

Pat D-Cakes warped logic is if you didn't quote him word-for-word he didn't say what you wrote! But if you do quote him word-for-word he'll claim either 1, 2, 3 or 4 above. Either way Pat has a way out. In addition to this Pat D-Cake will usually follow one of four basic methods operation. Usually by combining 1-10 above into one of four typical defensive mechnisms.

a) Blame others, Claim being misunderstood, deceived or tricked if unable to outright deny something & then switch the topic.

b) Place his attributes on his opponents, start whining and claiming he's either being quoted out of context, misquoted, misunderstood or attacked and then switch from the actual topic being discussed.

c) Just ignore what his opponent said and either 1) insults them, 2) ask a question that's already been answered, while claiming it's never been answered and then 3) switch from the actual topic being discussed.

d) Claim the opponents can't think logically and start blaming them of creating strawman arguements or claim they've proven nothing and then switch from the actual topic being discussed.

For PROOF of these things one only needs to read these references below to see some of Pat D's dirty tricks! As Pat D-Cake is denying he does 1-10 above I'll just prove one of them. #4 is Pat D claims he's being attacked, deceived or tricked etc So for proof of Pat D-Cake claiming to be tricked which he's denying he does above, just continue reading....
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You LIED Pat when you claimed you knew I was pretending to be familiar with your speakers when I actually wasn't. In fact you entitled your post "You mean like pretending to be familiar with my speakers when you are not?" http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22758.html

But rather than admit you made a mistake when you lied, you attempted to justify your LIE with these words "Well, when you suggested they had response down to 20 Hz or so, I wondered about that. Now you say they are mini-monitors." http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22777.html

Pat I told you more than once I was repeating what YOU said in Inmates Systems. What could be simplier to understand than that? How repeating what you said somehow gets transfered into my believing what you said amazes me. Quoting someone isn't agreeing with what they said Pat, it's ONLY quoting them. In fact quoting someone can be used to actually hurt them with their own words. That's exactly what I was attempting to do with you! I just couldn't believe that was your honest opinion of the S2's. By the way I've noticed you changed how you've worded your comments in Inmates Systems now Pat!
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22778.html

I also made every attempt to make my actions to you very clear. For in the post entitled YOUR EXACT WORDS I stated inside that post that I was using YOUR WORDS, not mine! So how you can constantly claim to have been tricked is beyond my ability to comprehend. http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22779.html

It appears you'd rather just LIE than admit you made a mistake. You continue to try to blame me for your actions. You're acting as if I hadn't told you previously I compared the S2's and the Ones side-by-side and found the S2 lacking! Yet even after reading that previous post of mine and the two posts in this thread that tell you I've compared them, you still try to justify your LIES with this comment "But you now say you have heard the Paradigm Signature S2, but you showed no inkling in the link below that it was a small standmount monitor but accepted the 20 Hz figure without comment. What WAS I to think?"
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22780.html

What were you to think Pat? You were to think I was quoting YOUR EXACT WORDS like I told you I was! (See link above) You even admit you know I was quoting you for you state "But thank you for pointing out the ambiguity. I have modified the entry to make it clear what refers to the system, which includes a big subwoofer, and what refers to the main speakers." So Pat you KNEW I was quoting you, but you just couldn't stand the fact that I caught you in a LIE. Worse than that you don't have the inetgrity ot strength of character to admit you were wrong!
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22780.html

What's really disappointing is not only do you admit above you knew I was quoting you when you thank me for pointing out the ambiguity of your post so you modified the entry to make it more clear. But even more to the point I told you SPECIFICALLY I was qouting what YOU SAID in YOUR OWN WORDS, when I posted "Pat why do you care when your Paradigm S2's HAVE AS YOU SAY smooth accurate response, excellent stereo imaging, deep bass response to below 20 Hz and more than adequate volume levels. What part of "AS YOU SAY" didn't you understand? I NEVER said that was my opinion of them, I NEVER said I agreed with your opinion, but rather specifically stated, it was only repeating the qualities of the S2's "AS YOU SAY" they are.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22925.html

Perhaps you should try increasing your reading comprehension skills Pat?
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At this point do you relent? Does Pat D finally admit he LIED, no! Instead you continue to try and justify your LIES with statement "No, from the text, you clearly accepted the response down to 20 Hz of a mini-monitor. You did not question it. Surely an honest person, well-meaning person would point out the discrepancy IF he knew about it. But you did not question it. In mythology, there is a figure called "the Trickster." You fit."
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22957.html

So your first excuse was, what where you to think. Then you admit you knew you were being quoted but now your excuse for LYING is I tricked you into lying! Yet where did I ever say I did anything more than quote you? Where did I ever say I agreed with your quote? The answer is I didn't. Furthermore since when is it dishonest or not well-meaning NOT to point out how and where you disagree with a quote? The answer is simple, it isn't! The real truth is the only one who tricked Pat D was Pat D. You were too arrogant and self- righteous to ask how? when? or where? One simple question on your part Pat would have prevented you from assuming you knew the truth and thus LYING when you claimed you knew I wan't familair with your speakers! I later even explain in detail in another post how much I disagreed with your quote. Had you only asked a question, like you did about which equipment I used to audtion the S2 you would have KNOWN the truth and not been caught in a blatant LIE, like you were.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22970.html

In case you don't realize it, quoting someone is not the same as agreeing with ther quote. Nor does quoting someone imply you agree with their words. I gave you credit for the intelligence to know that Pat.
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After all these references to my quoting YOU Pat do you finally develope the guts to admit you LIED? Nope you just continue on with trying to justify your actions. Your new excuse is "Actually, I would say you were pretending NOT to be familiar with my speakers when you were." as seen here: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23001.html

Can you believe the nerve of this LIAR. I tell him at least 2X I did a comparison of the Paradigm S2 Signatures vs Aliante Pinafarina Ones and now he claims I am pretending NOT to be familair with the Paradigm S2! Pat you'll stop at no lengths to justify your LYING will you? I NEVER did anything but quote your mistaken impression of the Paradigm S2 Sigs Patty old boy. If you had asked me I would have told when, where and how I listened to the S2 Signatures. But you were so arrogant and sure you were correct you didn't believe what I was telling you!

You'd rather threated me instead. So for a 2nd time with you threaten me with this "sincere advice" "So again, I still offer my sincere advice not to go down that line. Pity you misunderstood the remark."
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23001.html

In another attempt to intimidate me you say "Maybe I should go back and find things you wrote months ago, rip them out of context, interpret them however I please, and . . . Oh, but I wouldn't even have to do that! I could just be honest about them.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23001.html

But that's yet another Pat D LIE. The ONLY way Pat D could make it appear I lied would be to actually rip my words out of context and interpret them however you please, but that's NOT what I did to you Pat. I quoted you verbatim, in context. In fact we now see you bring that threat into action by doing what you threated to do above. Pat you actually do rip my words out of context and interprets them however you please. Witness below...

Pat D claims this is what I said:

TOM "Even a direct comparison to the Aliante's showed how much the Paradigm S2 deviated from a flat & smooth response." Then he tells yet another LIE and says If you wish to regard your Aliante speakers as the standard for smoothness and accuracy in speakers, go right ahead.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23001.html

Now let's go and see what I actually said:

"1) Smooth accurate response (The Paradigm's were more than a tad bright, but it did have an Aluminum tweeter, so that could explain it! USING LIVE MUSIC AS A STANDARD (emphasis mine), the Paradigm S2 are hardly providing a smooth & accurate response. Even a direct comparison to the Aliante's showed how much the Paradigm S2 deviated from a flat & smooth response.) http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/22970.html

Notice how LYING Pat D actually did go back and find things I wrote rips them out of context, interpret them however he pleased?

So now we discover Pat LYING & LYING, how many was that now? All this LYING to cover his original LIE that I he knew I wasn't familair with his speakers by claiming I used my Aliantes as my standard for smoothness and accuracy in speakers when I clearly stated I used live music as the standard. We now everyone can see that Pat D LIES and quite easily at that.

Yet despite all his LIES I attempted to diffuse this situation by reminding Pat "I've offered you olive branches in the past, apologized to you when I felt I was wrong etc. You in turn lie and instead of apologizing you try to say it's my fault you lied. Then you attempt to intimidate me with "...sincere advice not to go down that line. Pity you misunderstood the remark. You'll get from me what you give to me Pat! The ball's now in your court Pat. We can either be civil or go down the line I'm supposed to be afraid of. The decision is yours. But know this, however it goes from here, will be a result of what and where you decide to take it. I'm willing to try yet once again to find some middle ground for the sake of all involved. What do you want to do?"
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So how did Pat respond to that? Did he humble himself and just admit he made a mistake? Unfortunately no he didn't. Instead he chose to continue to defend his LYING ways. Let's see what Pat D says "You are the one who chose gratuitously to insert a discussion of my speakers into the thread, not me. You were simply trying to provoke me. Now you try to shift that responsibility on to me. Another trick. Again, I have offered no opinion on your Aliante speakers, it is you who imply I have-- another transparent trick."
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23065.html

Once again Pat's back to claiming he's was tricked into lying about his speakers and he even has another justification for LYING "(I was) simply trying to provoke (him). So I guess provoking justifies lying in Pat's mind. But what about his when he claimed I said Aliante's the standard I used for for smoothness and accuracy in speakersand NOT live music as I actually said? Was Pat provoked or tricked once again? What ever happened to be responsible for one's actions? Let's continue on and see where Pat takes this in defense of his being a LIAR!

Pat now decides that he should switch to talking about our equipment.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23065.html

I responded to that by telling Pat "What you might find surprising though Pat is the owner of the Paradigm felt he NEVER heard them sound as good at his home as they did on my system! He was shocked by how much better a speaker they were than he realized. In fact he even wanted to know what the Mastersound cost and debated over whether changing components might not actually be the better choice for achieving a more realistic replication of music. So I don't believe there was a mis-match of components "if" that's what you're thinking.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23083.html

Everything below can be verified here: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/23125.html

Pat now tried to change who lies by stating; You have falsely alleged that I think there is only one path to audio Nirvana rather than many, you have said I have denigrated your equipment, and you have implied that I had said I preferred my speakers to your speakers. It's right here in your text, written very recently, not months ago, and it's quite clear:

TOM
"There are indeed many paths to audio nirvana, that's quite true. I've often stated I'd be willing to allow Objectivists like yourself, to go unchallegened in your beliefs if you'd allow the same of Subjectivists. But you don't allow us that Pat. You claim you do, while you constantly berate Subjectivists and their equipment. So when you say I'm putting my own preferences forward and denigrating yours! I will not give you what you won't give me Pat. So yes, I much prefer the Aliante Pinafarina Ones over the Paradigm S2 Signatures. That's my OPINION, you don't have to agree with it. But how would you know which you'd prefer having never heard the Aliante's?" So there, you have made the false allegations I have said you have, and they are right in the text. Where do I berate subjectivists and their equipment? You won't find any references. You imply that I have said I would prefer my speakers to the Aliantes: where do I say that? You won't be able to find any references.

Somehow in his warped mind Pat D feels that my statement that he cannot say that he would prefer the Paradigms over the Aliantes (because he never heard the Aliantes) when I asked him a question i.e. "But how would you know which you'd prefer having never heard the Aliante's?" Is the same thing as stating he has said he would prefer his speakers to the Aliantes! Talk about warped thinking! Once again I suggest increased reading comprehension on your part Pat. The point I was trying to make is I CAN have a preference having compared them side-by-side, you cannot, period! Anything else you read into that is just that, you reading into it with your warped, LYING mind.

Additionally just because Pat D can come up with a quote wherein he isn't berating Subjectivists in his warped, LYING mind that means he doesn't berate subjectivists or the tubed equipment, exotic wires etc many of them use anywhere. Yet the reality is he does that very thing, which denying is yet another LIE.

At this point I've lost all respect for Pat D-Cake. I've wasted enough of my precious time on a person like him who lies so easily and frequently that he don't even believe he's lying anymore!

Bye-Bye Pat D-Cake. I know you'll use more of your dirty tricks and respond by using some combination of: 1) Claim he's being misquoted, 2) Claim he's being quoted out of context, 3) Claim he's misunderstood, 4) Claim he's being attacked, deceived or tricked etc 5) Claim his opponent doesn't think logically
6) Claim he didn't say something he said which is what you do the most, 7) Switch the actual topic to what he wants to debate
8) Blame others of doing the things he does,9) Make untrue claims like he's already proven that, when he hasn't or 10)Ignore the questions he's asked. You just as waste of my time and that stops here in regards to this topic, which I've proved over & over again. Now do us all a favor and make like nature and hide.... PLEASE!

Thetubeguy1954

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Follow Ups Full Thread

Topic - Why SETs? - thetubeguy1954 11:24:19 12/19/06 (143)

Re: Why SETs? - Awe-d-o-file 08:19:58 12/21/06 (0)

You mean "Single Ended Transistor" amplifier? - Garth 20:25:54 12/20/06 (3)

Re: You mean "Single Ended Transistor" amplifier? - Steve Eddy 20:52:51 12/20/06 (2)

Yes, that was what I was implying. It's not a "tube" thing. - Garth 05:48:13 12/21/06 (1)

Re: Yes, that was what I was implying. It's not a "tube" thing. - Steve Eddy 09:09:40 12/21/06 (0)

The great majority of the best systems I've heard utilize SETs. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:20:08 12/20/06 (0)

because engineers figured out how to build good sounding voltage multipliers many many decades ago - Richard BassNut Greene 08:02:48 12/20/06 (4)

Re: because engineers figured out how to build good sounding voltage multipliers many many decades ago - morricab 03:48:06 12/21/06 (1)

Yes, as a matter of fact it was Earl Geddes great home theater - Richard BassNut Greene 07:22:32 12/21/06 (0)

Re: Why SETs? - morricab 07:06:09 12/20/06 (6)

Re: Why SETs? - Todd Krieger 04:26:11 12/21/06 (0)

Re: Why SETs? - thetubeguy1954 07:52:54 12/20/06 (4)

Re: Why SETs? - john curl 12:21:14 12/21/06 (0)

"the herd in the narrows" test - Al Sekela 14:47:20 12/20/06 (2)

Re: "the herd in the narrows" test - lipmanl@hotmail.com 12:54:06 12/21/06 (0)

Re: "the herd in the narrows" test - morricab 03:36:23 12/21/06 (0)

If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Al Sekela 16:19:46 12/19/06 (25)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Pat D 07:12:38 12/20/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - morricab 07:08:27 12/20/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - morricab 06:28:12 12/20/06 (6)

Tube microphonics are the ultimate limiting factor - Al Sekela 14:55:21 12/20/06 (5)

Re: Tube microphonics are the ultimate limiting factor - morricab 03:45:01 12/21/06 (1)

We are talking about different things. - Al Sekela 16:14:42 12/21/06 (0)

Maybe That's Why Using Bendix 6900's Made Such An Improvement? - thetubeguy1954 17:03:32 12/20/06 (2)

Thanks for the detailed description and data! - Al Sekela 16:03:54 12/21/06 (1)

Thanks For The Info Al (NT) - thetubeguy1954 05:22:39 12/22/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - thetubeguy1954 05:35:11 12/20/06 (1)

I'm extrapolating from your comment in your user profile - Al Sekela 14:35:49 12/20/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Todd Krieger 03:52:40 12/20/06 (7)

The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - Al Sekela 14:17:17 12/20/06 (6)

Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - morricab 17:46:35 12/21/06 (5)

Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - theaudiohobby 09:35:17 12/22/06 (4)

Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - morricab 10:31:28 12/22/06 (3)

More context... - Al Sekela 14:05:48 12/22/06 (2)

Re: More context... - morricab 16:13:48 12/23/06 (1)

Thanks for a thorough discussion. - Al Sekela 13:00:00 12/25/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - AJinFLA 03:20:39 12/20/06 (5)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - thetubeguy1954 05:46:26 12/20/06 (4)

Not to put words in Al's mouth but.... - Russ57 06:22:17 12/20/06 (3)

The words fit pretty well. Thanks. - Al Sekela 13:44:54 12/20/06 (1)

Well, I'm not THAT architect... - robert young 04:40:55 12/21/06 (0)

Re: Not to put words in Al's mouth but.... - thetubeguy1954 06:47:10 12/20/06 (0)

Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - Steve Eddy 14:33:49 12/19/06 (76)

Sounds like you've taken over Soundmind's position here! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:19:16 12/22/06 (0)

Re: Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - thetubeguy1954 05:54:24 12/20/06 (12)

Re: Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - Steve Eddy 10:13:42 12/20/06 (11)

Yes Steve I Wish You Would - thetubeguy1954 10:55:56 12/20/06 (10)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - Steve Eddy 11:50:42 12/20/06 (9)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - thetubeguy1954 14:18:07 12/20/06 (8)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - bwaslo 21:08:50 12/20/06 (0)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - Steve Eddy 18:19:51 12/20/06 (6)

Steve Now You're Twisting What I'm Saying.... - thetubeguy1954 05:35:14 12/21/06 (5)

Re: Steve Now You're Twisting What I'm Saying.... - Steve Eddy 10:39:23 12/21/06 (0)

TTG, you have said absolutely NOTHING new here or elsewhere about SET amplifiers. - Garth 07:51:58 12/21/06 (3)

Whats Not New To You May Be New To Someone Else - thetubeguy1954 08:10:02 12/21/06 (2)

Re: Whats Not New To You May Be New To Someone Else - bwaslo 08:44:45 12/21/06 (0)

So just what is new in 15 years? Surely not the Kron stuff! - Garth 08:25:13 12/21/06 (0)

You mean like the SET or cable forum? The infidels are too few there. No, the non-believers *must* be converted HERE(nt) - AJinFLA 15:04:45 12/19/06 (61)

Re: You mean like the SET or cable forum? The infidels are too few there. No, the non-believers *must* be converted HERE - thetubeguy1954 06:00:44 12/20/06 (60)

"I don't wish to "convert" any of the non-believers, just educate them on the errors of their ways"....How quaint. - AJinFLA 16:42:04 12/20/06 (59)

I Can See You're Stuck On Stupid Again AJin Fla - thetubeguy1954 06:52:32 12/21/06 (0)

Unreliable tube amps? - E-Stat 18:06:49 12/20/06 (57)

Re: Unreliable tube amps? - AJinFLA 18:45:12 12/20/06 (56)

So if you've only "listened" to these amps - E-Stat 19:03:38 12/20/06 (55)

Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - Mudcat 11:06:35 12/22/06 (2)

I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - E-Stat 07:06:11 12/23/06 (1)

Re: I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - Mudcat 17:17:16 12/23/06 (0)

Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - AJinFLA 19:28:03 12/20/06 (51)

As Usual AJInFla Your Thought Process Is Wrong - thetubeguy1954 06:01:52 12/22/06 (0)

No confusion here - E-Stat 06:31:10 12/21/06 (49)

So if I came to your house, would I be able to audition your VTLs? (nt) - AJinFLA 08:59:52 12/21/06 (10)

Well, sure! - E-Stat 09:19:33 12/21/06 (9)

Ok. Now here is the question. - AJinFLA 09:39:46 12/21/06 (8)

Well - E-Stat 11:45:27 12/21/06 (0)

By replacing the VTL's with your (or a different) amp(s) - Russ57 10:41:51 12/21/06 (6)

Huh? - AJinFLA 13:40:12 12/21/06 (5)

Oh My:) - Russ57 16:20:10 12/21/06 (3)

Re: Oh My:) - AJinFLA 06:41:19 12/26/06 (0)

Re: Being naive... - theaudiohobby 15:03:46 12/23/06 (0)

Great Question Russ - thetubeguy1954 07:00:55 12/22/06 (0)

You have asked two different questions, AJ - E-Stat 15:03:11 12/21/06 (0)

AJinFLA Asks --- How Does One Audtion An Amplifier - thetubeguy1954 07:25:41 12/21/06 (37)

When you get the new speakers going - Russ57 09:16:10 12/21/06 (29)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 10:34:53 12/21/06 (28)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - AJinFLA 14:10:08 12/21/06 (25)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 07:38:33 12/22/06 (24)

If you have lost all confidence in your system wowing me - AJinFLA 06:56:42 12/26/06 (0)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 10:00:27 12/22/06 (22)

You're Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 10:37:57 12/22/06 (21)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 15:09:22 12/22/06 (18)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:26:32 12/23/06 (17)

Tubebuy just throws gratuitous personal attacks against me even in posts where they are totally irrelevant posts. - Pat D 13:31:40 12/30/06 (0)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 14:03:11 12/23/06 (15)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:10:04 12/27/06 (3)

Re: All this diatribes!!!!! - theaudiohobby 09:42:04 12/27/06 (2)

Proved My Point! - thetubeguy1954 09:54:39 12/27/06 (1)

Re: Lack of rational judgement - theaudiohobby 15:03:40 12/27/06 (0)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - Pat D 18:15:51 12/23/06 (10)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 06:29:46 12/27/06 (1)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:22:29 12/27/06 (0)

Yes Really Pat D-Cake It Was A Nice Try, But Still Incorrect!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 06:16:41 12/27/06 (7)

You've made a lot of undocumented allegations . . . - Pat D 09:25:25 12/27/06 (6)

When YOU Lied - thetubeguy1954 09:42:44 12/27/06 (5)

Tubey changes my question into a "statement." See it here, folks! - Pat D 10:38:25 12/27/06 (4)

And Pat Keeps On Lying & Lying (Just Like An Evil Energizer Bunny!) - thetubeguy1954 12:31:39 12/27/06 (3)

So, you keep up your vicious campaign against me. - Pat D 14:33:12 12/27/06 (2)

I Just Keep Providing Real PROOF You Won'T Accept! - thetubeguy1954 12/28/0605:59:18 12/28/06 (1)

Tubebuy still refuses to document his allegations 1-10 and a-d! - Pat D 12:36:49 12/28/06 (0)

Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - Mudcat 11:35:40 12/22/06 (1)

Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - kerr 08:37:58 12/24/06 (0)

Those speakers - Russ57 10:56:08 12/21/06 (1)

Re: Those speakers - thetubeguy1954 08:03:32 12/22/06 (0)

To tell you the truth - E-Stat 08:53:56 12/21/06 (6)

Re: To tell you the truth - thetubeguy1954 09:12:35 12/21/06 (5)

You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - E-Stat 10:31:42 12/21/06 (2)

Re: You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - morricab 10:43:00 12/22/06 (1)

Not my experience - E-Stat 19:37:20 12/23/06 (0)

The best amp I ever heard was an SET - kerr 10:18:41 12/21/06 (1)

Re: The best amp I ever heard was an SET - morricab 10:37:53 12/22/06 (0)

Re: It is trivial to show the opposite - theaudiohobby 14:12:31 12/19/06 (21)

Re: It is trivial to show the opposite - morricab 06:36:50 12/20/06 (0)

What's Not Trivial - thetubeguy1954 06:04:41 12/20/06 (4)

Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 10:29:02 12/20/06 (3)

Re: What's Not Trivial - thetubeguy1954 11:01:29 12/20/06 (2)

Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 12:03:58 12/20/06 (1)

Your Answer - thetubeguy1954 14:29:20 12/20/06 (0)

"his commentary does not quite fit the real life scenario," no measurements don't. - Norm 20:30:05 12/19/06 (14)

Re:Measurements are always relevant. - theaudiohobby 02:31:13 12/20/06 (13)

Some put greater stake in measurements. For example the RMAF amp clinics - Norm 06:12:25 12/20/06 (4)

So, you ask the Boulder rep what the other amp's designer *might* have had for goals? - Pat D 06:56:53 12/20/06 (3)

No, he thought all that mattered was THD. He was from Stereophile. Nonsense! nt - Norm 08:57:52 12/20/06 (2)

He was from Stereophile. - John Atkinson 10:35:36 12/21/06 (1)

Norm has a hard time telling a good story . . . - Pat D 09:27:37 12/27/06 (0)

Measurements are NOT always relevant. - thetubeguy1954 06:07:34 12/20/06 (7)

Re: Read the context of those statements - theaudiohobby 07:20:24 12/20/06 (6)

I did, did you? - thetubeguy1954 08:05:11 12/20/06 (5)

Re: I did, did you? - theaudiohobby 08:12:19 12/20/06 (4)

Playing Pat D-Cake Games Now? - thetubeguy1954 10:27:37 12/20/06 (3)

Re: As per Pat D's comments, logic is not your forte - theaudiohobby 13:46:18 12/20/06 (2)

You have my sympathy! - Pat D 14:41:27 12/20/06 (1)

Re: You have my sympathy! Thanks - theaudiohobby 15:25:05 12/20/06 (0)

Follow Ups

I Just Keep Providing Real PROOF You Won'T Accept! - thetubeguy1954 12/28/0605:59:18 12/28/06 (1)

Tubebuy still refuses to document his allegations 1-10 and a-d! - Pat D 12:36:49 12/28/06 (0)

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