So if you've only "listened" to these amps - E-Stat

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Topic - Why SETs? - thetubeguy1954 11:24:19 12/19/06 (143)

Re: Why SETs? - Awe-d-o-file 08:19:58 12/21/06 (0)

You mean "Single Ended Transistor" amplifier? - Garth 20:25:54 12/20/06 (3)

Re: You mean "Single Ended Transistor" amplifier? - Steve Eddy 20:52:51 12/20/06 (2)

Yes, that was what I was implying. It's not a "tube" thing. - Garth 05:48:13 12/21/06 (1)

Re: Yes, that was what I was implying. It's not a "tube" thing. - Steve Eddy 09:09:40 12/21/06 (0)

The great majority of the best systems I've heard utilize SETs. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:20:08 12/20/06 (0)

because engineers figured out how to build good sounding voltage multipliers many many decades ago - Richard BassNut Greene 08:02:48 12/20/06 (4)

Re: because engineers figured out how to build good sounding voltage multipliers many many decades ago - morricab 03:48:06 12/21/06 (1)

Yes, as a matter of fact it was Earl Geddes great home theater - Richard BassNut Greene 07:22:32 12/21/06 (0)

Re: Why SETs? - morricab 07:06:09 12/20/06 (6)

Re: Why SETs? - Todd Krieger 04:26:11 12/21/06 (0)

Re: Why SETs? - thetubeguy1954 07:52:54 12/20/06 (4)

Re: Why SETs? - john curl 12:21:14 12/21/06 (0)

"the herd in the narrows" test - Al Sekela 14:47:20 12/20/06 (2)

Re: "the herd in the narrows" test - lipmanl@hotmail.com 12:54:06 12/21/06 (0)

Re: "the herd in the narrows" test - morricab 03:36:23 12/21/06 (0)

If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Al Sekela 16:19:46 12/19/06 (25)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Pat D 07:12:38 12/20/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - morricab 07:08:27 12/20/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - morricab 06:28:12 12/20/06 (6)

Tube microphonics are the ultimate limiting factor - Al Sekela 14:55:21 12/20/06 (5)

Re: Tube microphonics are the ultimate limiting factor - morricab 03:45:01 12/21/06 (1)

We are talking about different things. - Al Sekela 16:14:42 12/21/06 (0)

Maybe That's Why Using Bendix 6900's Made Such An Improvement? - thetubeguy1954 17:03:32 12/20/06 (2)

Thanks for the detailed description and data! - Al Sekela 16:03:54 12/21/06 (1)

Thanks For The Info Al (NT) - thetubeguy1954 05:22:39 12/22/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - thetubeguy1954 05:35:11 12/20/06 (1)

I'm extrapolating from your comment in your user profile - Al Sekela 14:35:49 12/20/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Todd Krieger 03:52:40 12/20/06 (7)

The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - Al Sekela 14:17:17 12/20/06 (6)

Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - morricab 17:46:35 12/21/06 (5)

Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - theaudiohobby 09:35:17 12/22/06 (4)

Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - morricab 10:31:28 12/22/06 (3)

More context... - Al Sekela 14:05:48 12/22/06 (2)

Re: More context... - morricab 16:13:48 12/23/06 (1)

Thanks for a thorough discussion. - Al Sekela 13:00:00 12/25/06 (0)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - AJinFLA 03:20:39 12/20/06 (5)

Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - thetubeguy1954 05:46:26 12/20/06 (4)

Not to put words in Al's mouth but.... - Russ57 06:22:17 12/20/06 (3)

The words fit pretty well. Thanks. - Al Sekela 13:44:54 12/20/06 (1)

Well, I'm not THAT architect... - robert young 04:40:55 12/21/06 (0)

Re: Not to put words in Al's mouth but.... - thetubeguy1954 06:47:10 12/20/06 (0)

Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - Steve Eddy 14:33:49 12/19/06 (76)

Sounds like you've taken over Soundmind's position here! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:19:16 12/22/06 (0)

Re: Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - thetubeguy1954 05:54:24 12/20/06 (12)

Re: Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - Steve Eddy 10:13:42 12/20/06 (11)

Yes Steve I Wish You Would - thetubeguy1954 10:55:56 12/20/06 (10)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - Steve Eddy 11:50:42 12/20/06 (9)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - thetubeguy1954 14:18:07 12/20/06 (8)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - bwaslo 21:08:50 12/20/06 (0)

Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - Steve Eddy 18:19:51 12/20/06 (6)

Steve Now You're Twisting What I'm Saying.... - thetubeguy1954 05:35:14 12/21/06 (5)

Re: Steve Now You're Twisting What I'm Saying.... - Steve Eddy 10:39:23 12/21/06 (0)

TTG, you have said absolutely NOTHING new here or elsewhere about SET amplifiers. - Garth 07:51:58 12/21/06 (3)

Whats Not New To You May Be New To Someone Else - thetubeguy1954 08:10:02 12/21/06 (2)

Re: Whats Not New To You May Be New To Someone Else - bwaslo 08:44:45 12/21/06 (0)

So just what is new in 15 years? Surely not the Kron stuff! - Garth 08:25:13 12/21/06 (0)

You mean like the SET or cable forum? The infidels are too few there. No, the non-believers *must* be converted HERE(nt) - AJinFLA 15:04:45 12/19/06 (61)

Re: You mean like the SET or cable forum? The infidels are too few there. No, the non-believers *must* be converted HERE - thetubeguy1954 06:00:44 12/20/06 (60)

"I don't wish to "convert" any of the non-believers, just educate them on the errors of their ways"....How quaint. - AJinFLA 16:42:04 12/20/06 (59)

I Can See You're Stuck On Stupid Again AJin Fla - thetubeguy1954 06:52:32 12/21/06 (0)

Unreliable tube amps? - E-Stat 18:06:49 12/20/06 (57)

Re: Unreliable tube amps? - AJinFLA 18:45:12 12/20/06 (56)

So if you've only "listened" to these amps - E-Stat 12/20/0619:03:38 12/20/06 (55)

Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - Mudcat 11:06:35 12/22/06 (2)

I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - E-Stat 07:06:11 12/23/06 (1)

Re: I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - Mudcat 17:17:16 12/23/06 (0)

Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - AJinFLA 19:28:03 12/20/06 (51)

As Usual AJInFla Your Thought Process Is Wrong - thetubeguy1954 06:01:52 12/22/06 (0)

No confusion here - E-Stat 06:31:10 12/21/06 (49)

So if I came to your house, would I be able to audition your VTLs? (nt) - AJinFLA 08:59:52 12/21/06 (10)

Well, sure! - E-Stat 09:19:33 12/21/06 (9)

Ok. Now here is the question. - AJinFLA 09:39:46 12/21/06 (8)

Well - E-Stat 11:45:27 12/21/06 (0)

By replacing the VTL's with your (or a different) amp(s) - Russ57 10:41:51 12/21/06 (6)

Huh? - AJinFLA 13:40:12 12/21/06 (5)

Oh My:) - Russ57 16:20:10 12/21/06 (3)

Re: Oh My:) - AJinFLA 06:41:19 12/26/06 (0)

Re: Being naive... - theaudiohobby 15:03:46 12/23/06 (0)

Great Question Russ - thetubeguy1954 07:00:55 12/22/06 (0)

You have asked two different questions, AJ - E-Stat 15:03:11 12/21/06 (0)

AJinFLA Asks --- How Does One Audtion An Amplifier - thetubeguy1954 07:25:41 12/21/06 (37)

When you get the new speakers going - Russ57 09:16:10 12/21/06 (29)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 10:34:53 12/21/06 (28)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - AJinFLA 14:10:08 12/21/06 (25)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 07:38:33 12/22/06 (24)

If you have lost all confidence in your system wowing me - AJinFLA 06:56:42 12/26/06 (0)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 10:00:27 12/22/06 (22)

You're Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 10:37:57 12/22/06 (21)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 15:09:22 12/22/06 (18)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:26:32 12/23/06 (17)

Tubebuy just throws gratuitous personal attacks against me even in posts where they are totally irrelevant posts. - Pat D 13:31:40 12/30/06 (0)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 14:03:11 12/23/06 (15)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:10:04 12/27/06 (3)

Re: All this diatribes!!!!! - theaudiohobby 09:42:04 12/27/06 (2)

Proved My Point! - thetubeguy1954 09:54:39 12/27/06 (1)

Re: Lack of rational judgement - theaudiohobby 15:03:40 12/27/06 (0)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - Pat D 18:15:51 12/23/06 (10)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 06:29:46 12/27/06 (1)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:22:29 12/27/06 (0)

Yes Really Pat D-Cake It Was A Nice Try, But Still Incorrect!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 06:16:41 12/27/06 (7)

You've made a lot of undocumented allegations . . . - Pat D 09:25:25 12/27/06 (6)

When YOU Lied - thetubeguy1954 09:42:44 12/27/06 (5)

Tubey changes my question into a "statement." See it here, folks! - Pat D 10:38:25 12/27/06 (4)

And Pat Keeps On Lying & Lying (Just Like An Evil Energizer Bunny!) - thetubeguy1954 12:31:39 12/27/06 (3)

So, you keep up your vicious campaign against me. - Pat D 14:33:12 12/27/06 (2)

I Just Keep Providing Real PROOF You Won'T Accept! - thetubeguy1954 05:59:18 12/28/06 (1)

Tubebuy still refuses to document his allegations 1-10 and a-d! - Pat D 12:36:49 12/28/06 (0)

Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - Mudcat 11:35:40 12/22/06 (1)

Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - kerr 08:37:58 12/24/06 (0)

Those speakers - Russ57 10:56:08 12/21/06 (1)

Re: Those speakers - thetubeguy1954 08:03:32 12/22/06 (0)

To tell you the truth - E-Stat 08:53:56 12/21/06 (6)

Re: To tell you the truth - thetubeguy1954 09:12:35 12/21/06 (5)

You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - E-Stat 10:31:42 12/21/06 (2)

Re: You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - morricab 10:43:00 12/22/06 (1)

Not my experience - E-Stat 19:37:20 12/23/06 (0)

The best amp I ever heard was an SET - kerr 10:18:41 12/21/06 (1)

Re: The best amp I ever heard was an SET - morricab 10:37:53 12/22/06 (0)

Re: It is trivial to show the opposite - theaudiohobby 14:12:31 12/19/06 (21)

Re: It is trivial to show the opposite - morricab 06:36:50 12/20/06 (0)

What's Not Trivial - thetubeguy1954 06:04:41 12/20/06 (4)

Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 10:29:02 12/20/06 (3)

Re: What's Not Trivial - thetubeguy1954 11:01:29 12/20/06 (2)

Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 12:03:58 12/20/06 (1)

Your Answer - thetubeguy1954 14:29:20 12/20/06 (0)

"his commentary does not quite fit the real life scenario," no measurements don't. - Norm 20:30:05 12/19/06 (14)

Re:Measurements are always relevant. - theaudiohobby 02:31:13 12/20/06 (13)

Some put greater stake in measurements. For example the RMAF amp clinics - Norm 06:12:25 12/20/06 (4)

So, you ask the Boulder rep what the other amp's designer *might* have had for goals? - Pat D 06:56:53 12/20/06 (3)

No, he thought all that mattered was THD. He was from Stereophile. Nonsense! nt - Norm 08:57:52 12/20/06 (2)

He was from Stereophile. - John Atkinson 10:35:36 12/21/06 (1)

Norm has a hard time telling a good story . . . - Pat D 09:27:37 12/27/06 (0)

Measurements are NOT always relevant. - thetubeguy1954 06:07:34 12/20/06 (7)

Re: Read the context of those statements - theaudiohobby 07:20:24 12/20/06 (6)

I did, did you? - thetubeguy1954 08:05:11 12/20/06 (5)

Re: I did, did you? - theaudiohobby 08:12:19 12/20/06 (4)

Playing Pat D-Cake Games Now? - thetubeguy1954 10:27:37 12/20/06 (3)

Re: As per Pat D's comments, logic is not your forte - theaudiohobby 13:46:18 12/20/06 (2)

You have my sympathy! - Pat D 14:41:27 12/20/06 (1)

Re: You have my sympathy! Thanks - theaudiohobby 15:25:05 12/20/06 (0)

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So if you've only "listened" to these amps - E-Stat 12/20/0619:03:38 12/20/06 (55)

Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - Mudcat 11:06:35 12/22/06 (2)

I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - E-Stat 07:06:11 12/23/06 (1)

Re: I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - Mudcat 17:17:16 12/23/06 (0)

Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - AJinFLA 19:28:03 12/20/06 (51)

As Usual AJInFla Your Thought Process Is Wrong - thetubeguy1954 06:01:52 12/22/06 (0)

No confusion here - E-Stat 06:31:10 12/21/06 (49)

So if I came to your house, would I be able to audition your VTLs? (nt) - AJinFLA 08:59:52 12/21/06 (10)

Well, sure! - E-Stat 09:19:33 12/21/06 (9)

Ok. Now here is the question. - AJinFLA 09:39:46 12/21/06 (8)

Well - E-Stat 11:45:27 12/21/06 (0)

By replacing the VTL's with your (or a different) amp(s) - Russ57 10:41:51 12/21/06 (6)

Huh? - AJinFLA 13:40:12 12/21/06 (5)

Oh My:) - Russ57 16:20:10 12/21/06 (3)

Re: Oh My:) - AJinFLA 06:41:19 12/26/06 (0)

Re: Being naive... - theaudiohobby 15:03:46 12/23/06 (0)

Great Question Russ - thetubeguy1954 07:00:55 12/22/06 (0)

You have asked two different questions, AJ - E-Stat 15:03:11 12/21/06 (0)

AJinFLA Asks --- How Does One Audtion An Amplifier - thetubeguy1954 07:25:41 12/21/06 (37)

When you get the new speakers going - Russ57 09:16:10 12/21/06 (29)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 10:34:53 12/21/06 (28)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - AJinFLA 14:10:08 12/21/06 (25)

Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 07:38:33 12/22/06 (24)

If you have lost all confidence in your system wowing me - AJinFLA 06:56:42 12/26/06 (0)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 10:00:27 12/22/06 (22)

You're Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 10:37:57 12/22/06 (21)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 15:09:22 12/22/06 (18)

Re: Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:26:32 12/23/06 (17)

Tubebuy just throws gratuitous personal attacks against me even in posts where they are totally irrelevant posts. - Pat D 13:31:40 12/30/06 (0)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 14:03:11 12/23/06 (15)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:10:04 12/27/06 (3)

Re: All this diatribes!!!!! - theaudiohobby 09:42:04 12/27/06 (2)

Proved My Point! - thetubeguy1954 09:54:39 12/27/06 (1)

Re: Lack of rational judgement - theaudiohobby 15:03:40 12/27/06 (0)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - Pat D 18:15:51 12/23/06 (10)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 06:29:46 12/27/06 (1)

Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:22:29 12/27/06 (0)

Yes Really Pat D-Cake It Was A Nice Try, But Still Incorrect!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 06:16:41 12/27/06 (7)

You've made a lot of undocumented allegations . . . - Pat D 09:25:25 12/27/06 (6)

When YOU Lied - thetubeguy1954 09:42:44 12/27/06 (5)

Tubey changes my question into a "statement." See it here, folks! - Pat D 10:38:25 12/27/06 (4)

And Pat Keeps On Lying & Lying (Just Like An Evil Energizer Bunny!) - thetubeguy1954 12:31:39 12/27/06 (3)

So, you keep up your vicious campaign against me. - Pat D 14:33:12 12/27/06 (2)

I Just Keep Providing Real PROOF You Won'T Accept! - thetubeguy1954 05:59:18 12/28/06 (1)

Tubebuy still refuses to document his allegations 1-10 and a-d! - Pat D 12:36:49 12/28/06 (0)

Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - Mudcat 11:35:40 12/22/06 (1)

Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - kerr 08:37:58 12/24/06 (0)

Those speakers - Russ57 10:56:08 12/21/06 (1)

Re: Those speakers - thetubeguy1954 08:03:32 12/22/06 (0)

To tell you the truth - E-Stat 08:53:56 12/21/06 (6)

Re: To tell you the truth - thetubeguy1954 09:12:35 12/21/06 (5)

You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - E-Stat 10:31:42 12/21/06 (2)

Re: You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - morricab 10:43:00 12/22/06 (1)

Not my experience - E-Stat 19:37:20 12/23/06 (0)

The best amp I ever heard was an SET - kerr 10:18:41 12/21/06 (1)

Re: The best amp I ever heard was an SET - morricab 10:37:53 12/22/06 (0)