In Reply to: Re: You mean like the SET or cable forum? The infidels are too few there. No, the non-believers *must* be converted HERE posted by thetubeguy1954 on December 20, 2006 at 06:00:44:
TB54 - I'd be willing to bet you never knew an SET amp in the right system, could produce less distortion than a solid state amp could!I'd be willing to bet that you don't know that one of those silly little underpowered coloration/distortion makers would have no place in *my* system, the only "right" one that matters.
Every one of those SET pieces of junk that I have heard have sounded awful. Just don't ask their owners. Their feeble, clock radio output requires ridiculous compromises in speaker design. No thanks. The 40 or so watts of your Mastersound *might* hack it for my tweeter or super tweeter amps in a pinch. Use for a 84db avg sensitivity speaker would be an absurdity I would not consider.
If any of the thousands of real, acoustic instruments at the hundreds of music performances that I have attended sounded anything like a SET amplifier, I would either have left or got up on stage and smashed it.
Some people seem to not be bothered at amplified music events by the distorted sound of underpowered amplifiers clipping. This must be the SET crowd. To each their own I suppose.TB54 - I specifically hope you'll never embrace SETs
Better to never say never. If someone managed to make a SET that lacked euphonic colorations (that you can't hear through your lower resolution, lossy, floppy Poly speakers) I would consider embracing it - as a headphone amplifier.
The best tube amplifiers I have heard "sound" just like their solid state counterparts, neutral and powerful. It's just that they cost a bunch more and are unreliable. Plus I'm not much for romantisizing relics from a bygone era.
Ok, well maybe except a '62 250 GTO.cheers,
AJ
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- "I don't wish to "convert" any of the non-believers, just educate them on the errors of their ways"....How quaint. - AJinFLA 12/20/0616:42:04 12/20/06 (59)
- I Can See You're Stuck On Stupid Again AJin Fla - thetubeguy1954 06:52:32 12/21/06 (0)
- Unreliable tube amps? - E-Stat 18:06:49 12/20/06 (57)
- Re: Unreliable tube amps? - AJinFLA 18:45:12 12/20/06 (56)
- So if you've only "listened" to these amps - E-Stat 19:03:38 12/20/06 (55)
- Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - Mudcat 11:06:35 12/22/06 (2)
- I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - E-Stat 07:06:11 12/23/06 (1)
- Re: I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - Mudcat 17:17:16 12/23/06 (0)
- Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - AJinFLA 19:28:03 12/20/06 (51)
- As Usual AJInFla Your Thought Process Is Wrong - thetubeguy1954 06:01:52 12/22/06 (0)
- No confusion here - E-Stat 06:31:10 12/21/06 (49)
- So if I came to your house, would I be able to audition your VTLs? (nt) - AJinFLA 08:59:52 12/21/06 (10)
- Well, sure! - E-Stat 09:19:33 12/21/06 (9)
- Ok. Now here is the question. - AJinFLA 09:39:46 12/21/06 (8)
- Well - E-Stat 11:45:27 12/21/06 (0)
- By replacing the VTL's with your (or a different) amp(s) - Russ57 10:41:51 12/21/06 (6)
- Huh? - AJinFLA 13:40:12 12/21/06 (5)
- Oh My:) - Russ57 16:20:10 12/21/06 (3)
- Re: Oh My:) - AJinFLA 06:41:19 12/26/06 (0)
- Re: Being naive... - theaudiohobby 15:03:46 12/23/06 (0)
- Great Question Russ - thetubeguy1954 07:00:55 12/22/06 (0)
- You have asked two different questions, AJ - E-Stat 15:03:11 12/21/06 (0)
- AJinFLA Asks --- How Does One Audtion An Amplifier - thetubeguy1954 07:25:41 12/21/06 (37)
- When you get the new speakers going - Russ57 09:16:10 12/21/06 (29)
- Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 10:34:53 12/21/06 (28)
- Re: When you get the new speakers going - AJinFLA 14:10:08 12/21/06 (25)
- Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 07:38:33 12/22/06 (24)
- If you have lost all confidence in your system wowing me - AJinFLA 06:56:42 12/26/06 (0)
- Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 10:00:27 12/22/06 (22)
- You're Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 10:37:57 12/22/06 (21)
- Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 15:09:22 12/22/06 (18)
- Re: Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:26:32 12/23/06 (17)
- Tubebuy just throws gratuitous personal attacks against me even in posts where they are totally irrelevant posts. - Pat D 13:31:40 12/30/06 (0)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 14:03:11 12/23/06 (15)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:10:04 12/27/06 (3)
- Re: All this diatribes!!!!! - theaudiohobby 09:42:04 12/27/06 (2)
- Proved My Point! - thetubeguy1954 09:54:39 12/27/06 (1)
- Re: Lack of rational judgement - theaudiohobby 15:03:40 12/27/06 (0)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - Pat D 18:15:51 12/23/06 (10)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 06:29:46 12/27/06 (1)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:22:29 12/27/06 (0)
- Yes Really Pat D-Cake It Was A Nice Try, But Still Incorrect!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 06:16:41 12/27/06 (7)
- You've made a lot of undocumented allegations . . . - Pat D 09:25:25 12/27/06 (6)
- When YOU Lied - thetubeguy1954 09:42:44 12/27/06 (5)
- Tubey changes my question into a "statement." See it here, folks! - Pat D 10:38:25 12/27/06 (4)
- And Pat Keeps On Lying & Lying (Just Like An Evil Energizer Bunny!) - thetubeguy1954 12:31:39 12/27/06 (3)
- So, you keep up your vicious campaign against me. - Pat D 14:33:12 12/27/06 (2)
- I Just Keep Providing Real PROOF You Won'T Accept! - thetubeguy1954 05:59:18 12/28/06 (1)
- Tubebuy still refuses to document his allegations 1-10 and a-d! - Pat D 12:36:49 12/28/06 (0)
- Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - Mudcat 11:35:40 12/22/06 (1)
- Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - kerr 08:37:58 12/24/06 (0)
- Those speakers - Russ57 10:56:08 12/21/06 (1)
- Re: Those speakers - thetubeguy1954 08:03:32 12/22/06 (0)
- To tell you the truth - E-Stat 08:53:56 12/21/06 (6)
- Re: To tell you the truth - thetubeguy1954 09:12:35 12/21/06 (5)
- You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - E-Stat 10:31:42 12/21/06 (2)
- Re: You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - morricab 10:43:00 12/22/06 (1)
- Not my experience - E-Stat 19:37:20 12/23/06 (0)
- The best amp I ever heard was an SET - kerr 10:18:41 12/21/06 (1)
- Re: The best amp I ever heard was an SET - morricab 10:37:53 12/22/06 (0)