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In Reply to: What's Not Trivial posted by thetubeguy1954 on December 20, 2006 at 06:04:41:
What's NOT trivial is to show that if there is 180° difference in the relation of the 2nd harmonic and the fundamental between the two devices (speaker and amp) the sum will be zero 2nd harmonic (yes that is right, in this ideal situation there would be NO 2nd HARMONIC DISTORTION). (*)
It's quite trivial. Just get out your calculator and see what you get when you add (+1) and (-1).
This is a technical idea whose merit is worth discussing. Because it proves it possible for an SET amp (in a system) to actually produce less distortion than a solid state amp!
Question: Why is this "possibility" important enough to you that you would post about it here? Has it something to do with your insecurity regarding your personal subjective experience?
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Why SETs? - thetubeguy1954 11:24:19 12/19/06 (143)
- Re: Why SETs? - Awe-d-o-file 08:19:58 12/21/06 (0)
- You mean "Single Ended Transistor" amplifier? - Garth 20:25:54 12/20/06 (3)
- Re: You mean "Single Ended Transistor" amplifier? - Steve Eddy 20:52:51 12/20/06 (2)
- Yes, that was what I was implying. It's not a "tube" thing. - Garth 05:48:13 12/21/06 (1)
- Re: Yes, that was what I was implying. It's not a "tube" thing. - Steve Eddy 09:09:40 12/21/06 (0)
- The great majority of the best systems I've heard utilize SETs. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:20:08 12/20/06 (0)
- because engineers figured out how to build good sounding voltage multipliers many many decades ago - Richard BassNut Greene 08:02:48 12/20/06 (4)
- Re: because engineers figured out how to build good sounding voltage multipliers many many decades ago - morricab 03:48:06 12/21/06 (1)
- Yes, as a matter of fact it was Earl Geddes great home theater - Richard BassNut Greene 07:22:32 12/21/06 (0)
- Re: Why SETs? - morricab 07:06:09 12/20/06 (6)
- Re: Why SETs? - Todd Krieger 04:26:11 12/21/06 (0)
- Re: Why SETs? - thetubeguy1954 07:52:54 12/20/06 (4)
- Re: Why SETs? - john curl 12:21:14 12/21/06 (0)
- "the herd in the narrows" test - Al Sekela 14:47:20 12/20/06 (2)
- Re: "the herd in the narrows" test - lipmanl@hotmail.com 12:54:06 12/21/06 (0)
- Re: "the herd in the narrows" test - morricab 03:36:23 12/21/06 (0)
- If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Al Sekela 16:19:46 12/19/06 (25)
- Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Pat D 07:12:38 12/20/06 (0)
- Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - morricab 07:08:27 12/20/06 (0)
- Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - morricab 06:28:12 12/20/06 (6)
- Tube microphonics are the ultimate limiting factor - Al Sekela 14:55:21 12/20/06 (5)
- Re: Tube microphonics are the ultimate limiting factor - morricab 03:45:01 12/21/06 (1)
- We are talking about different things. - Al Sekela 16:14:42 12/21/06 (0)
- Maybe That's Why Using Bendix 6900's Made Such An Improvement? - thetubeguy1954 17:03:32 12/20/06 (2)
- Thanks for the detailed description and data! - Al Sekela 16:03:54 12/21/06 (1)
- Thanks For The Info Al (NT) - thetubeguy1954 05:22:39 12/22/06 (0)
- Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - thetubeguy1954 05:35:11 12/20/06 (1)
- I'm extrapolating from your comment in your user profile - Al Sekela 14:35:49 12/20/06 (0)
- Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - Todd Krieger 03:52:40 12/20/06 (7)
- The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - Al Sekela 14:17:17 12/20/06 (6)
- Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - morricab 17:46:35 12/21/06 (5)
- Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - theaudiohobby 09:35:17 12/22/06 (4)
- Re: The Raptors are monoblocks and $5K the pair. - morricab 10:31:28 12/22/06 (3)
- More context... - Al Sekela 14:05:48 12/22/06 (2)
- Re: More context... - morricab 16:13:48 12/23/06 (1)
- Thanks for a thorough discussion. - Al Sekela 13:00:00 12/25/06 (0)
- Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - AJinFLA 03:20:39 12/20/06 (5)
- Re: If you are still using the Aliante Pinafarina Ones, - thetubeguy1954 05:46:26 12/20/06 (4)
- Not to put words in Al's mouth but.... - Russ57 06:22:17 12/20/06 (3)
- The words fit pretty well. Thanks. - Al Sekela 13:44:54 12/20/06 (1)
- Well, I'm not THAT architect... - robert young 04:40:55 12/21/06 (0)
- Re: Not to put words in Al's mouth but.... - thetubeguy1954 06:47:10 12/20/06 (0)
- Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - Steve Eddy 14:33:49 12/19/06 (76)
- Sounds like you've taken over Soundmind's position here! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:19:16 12/22/06 (0)
- Re: Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - thetubeguy1954 05:54:24 12/20/06 (12)
- Re: Please take this self-pitying crap someplace else. nt - Steve Eddy 10:13:42 12/20/06 (11)
- Yes Steve I Wish You Would - thetubeguy1954 10:55:56 12/20/06 (10)
- Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - Steve Eddy 11:50:42 12/20/06 (9)
- Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - thetubeguy1954 14:18:07 12/20/06 (8)
- Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - bwaslo 21:08:50 12/20/06 (0)
- Re: Yes Steve I Wish You Would - Steve Eddy 18:19:51 12/20/06 (6)
- Steve Now You're Twisting What I'm Saying.... - thetubeguy1954 05:35:14 12/21/06 (5)
- Re: Steve Now You're Twisting What I'm Saying.... - Steve Eddy 10:39:23 12/21/06 (0)
- TTG, you have said absolutely NOTHING new here or elsewhere about SET amplifiers. - Garth 07:51:58 12/21/06 (3)
- Whats Not New To You May Be New To Someone Else - thetubeguy1954 08:10:02 12/21/06 (2)
- Re: Whats Not New To You May Be New To Someone Else - bwaslo 08:44:45 12/21/06 (0)
- So just what is new in 15 years? Surely not the Kron stuff! - Garth 08:25:13 12/21/06 (0)
- You mean like the SET or cable forum? The infidels are too few there. No, the non-believers *must* be converted HERE(nt) - AJinFLA 15:04:45 12/19/06 (61)
- Re: You mean like the SET or cable forum? The infidels are too few there. No, the non-believers *must* be converted HERE - thetubeguy1954 06:00:44 12/20/06 (60)
- "I don't wish to "convert" any of the non-believers, just educate them on the errors of their ways"....How quaint. - AJinFLA 16:42:04 12/20/06 (59)
- I Can See You're Stuck On Stupid Again AJin Fla - thetubeguy1954 06:52:32 12/21/06 (0)
- Unreliable tube amps? - E-Stat 18:06:49 12/20/06 (57)
- Re: Unreliable tube amps? - AJinFLA 18:45:12 12/20/06 (56)
- So if you've only "listened" to these amps - E-Stat 19:03:38 12/20/06 (55)
- Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - Mudcat 11:06:35 12/22/06 (2)
- I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - E-Stat 07:06:11 12/23/06 (1)
- Re: I guess it's time to ditch the Acura - Mudcat 17:17:16 12/23/06 (0)
- Re: So if you've only "listened" to these amps - AJinFLA 19:28:03 12/20/06 (51)
- As Usual AJInFla Your Thought Process Is Wrong - thetubeguy1954 06:01:52 12/22/06 (0)
- No confusion here - E-Stat 06:31:10 12/21/06 (49)
- So if I came to your house, would I be able to audition your VTLs? (nt) - AJinFLA 08:59:52 12/21/06 (10)
- Well, sure! - E-Stat 09:19:33 12/21/06 (9)
- Ok. Now here is the question. - AJinFLA 09:39:46 12/21/06 (8)
- Well - E-Stat 11:45:27 12/21/06 (0)
- By replacing the VTL's with your (or a different) amp(s) - Russ57 10:41:51 12/21/06 (6)
- Huh? - AJinFLA 13:40:12 12/21/06 (5)
- Oh My:) - Russ57 16:20:10 12/21/06 (3)
- Re: Oh My:) - AJinFLA 06:41:19 12/26/06 (0)
- Re: Being naive... - theaudiohobby 15:03:46 12/23/06 (0)
- Great Question Russ - thetubeguy1954 07:00:55 12/22/06 (0)
- You have asked two different questions, AJ - E-Stat 15:03:11 12/21/06 (0)
- AJinFLA Asks --- How Does One Audtion An Amplifier - thetubeguy1954 07:25:41 12/21/06 (37)
- When you get the new speakers going - Russ57 09:16:10 12/21/06 (29)
- Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 10:34:53 12/21/06 (28)
- Re: When you get the new speakers going - AJinFLA 14:10:08 12/21/06 (25)
- Re: When you get the new speakers going - thetubeguy1954 07:38:33 12/22/06 (24)
- If you have lost all confidence in your system wowing me - AJinFLA 06:56:42 12/26/06 (0)
- Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 10:00:27 12/22/06 (22)
- You're Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 10:37:57 12/22/06 (21)
- Re: Too funny!!!!! - theaudiohobby 15:09:22 12/22/06 (18)
- Re: Too funny!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:26:32 12/23/06 (17)
- Tubebuy just throws gratuitous personal attacks against me even in posts where they are totally irrelevant posts. - Pat D 13:31:40 12/30/06 (0)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 14:03:11 12/23/06 (15)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:10:04 12/27/06 (3)
- Re: All this diatribes!!!!! - theaudiohobby 09:42:04 12/27/06 (2)
- Proved My Point! - thetubeguy1954 09:54:39 12/27/06 (1)
- Re: Lack of rational judgement - theaudiohobby 15:03:40 12/27/06 (0)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - Pat D 18:15:51 12/23/06 (10)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - theaudiohobby 06:29:46 12/27/06 (1)
- Re: Nice try!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 08:22:29 12/27/06 (0)
- Yes Really Pat D-Cake It Was A Nice Try, But Still Incorrect!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 06:16:41 12/27/06 (7)
- You've made a lot of undocumented allegations . . . - Pat D 09:25:25 12/27/06 (6)
- When YOU Lied - thetubeguy1954 09:42:44 12/27/06 (5)
- Tubey changes my question into a "statement." See it here, folks! - Pat D 10:38:25 12/27/06 (4)
- And Pat Keeps On Lying & Lying (Just Like An Evil Energizer Bunny!) - thetubeguy1954 12:31:39 12/27/06 (3)
- So, you keep up your vicious campaign against me. - Pat D 14:33:12 12/27/06 (2)
- I Just Keep Providing Real PROOF You Won'T Accept! - thetubeguy1954 05:59:18 12/28/06 (1)
- Tubebuy still refuses to document his allegations 1-10 and a-d! - Pat D 12:36:49 12/28/06 (0)
- Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - Mudcat 11:35:40 12/22/06 (1)
- Re: You're Too funny!!!!! - kerr 08:37:58 12/24/06 (0)
- Those speakers - Russ57 10:56:08 12/21/06 (1)
- Re: Those speakers - thetubeguy1954 08:03:32 12/22/06 (0)
- To tell you the truth - E-Stat 08:53:56 12/21/06 (6)
- Re: To tell you the truth - thetubeguy1954 09:12:35 12/21/06 (5)
- You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - E-Stat 10:31:42 12/21/06 (2)
- Re: You've focused on the exact issue - the type of music - morricab 10:43:00 12/22/06 (1)
- Not my experience - E-Stat 19:37:20 12/23/06 (0)
- The best amp I ever heard was an SET - kerr 10:18:41 12/21/06 (1)
- Re: The best amp I ever heard was an SET - morricab 10:37:53 12/22/06 (0)
- Re: It is trivial to show the opposite - theaudiohobby 14:12:31 12/19/06 (21)
- Re: It is trivial to show the opposite - morricab 06:36:50 12/20/06 (0)
- What's Not Trivial - thetubeguy1954 06:04:41 12/20/06 (4)
- Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 12/20/0610:29:02 12/20/06 (3)
- Re: What's Not Trivial - thetubeguy1954 11:01:29 12/20/06 (2)
- Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 12:03:58 12/20/06 (1)
- Your Answer - thetubeguy1954 14:29:20 12/20/06 (0)
- "his commentary does not quite fit the real life scenario," no measurements don't. - Norm 20:30:05 12/19/06 (14)
- Re:Measurements are always relevant. - theaudiohobby 02:31:13 12/20/06 (13)
- Some put greater stake in measurements. For example the RMAF amp clinics - Norm 06:12:25 12/20/06 (4)
- So, you ask the Boulder rep what the other amp's designer *might* have had for goals? - Pat D 06:56:53 12/20/06 (3)
- No, he thought all that mattered was THD. He was from Stereophile. Nonsense! nt - Norm 08:57:52 12/20/06 (2)
- He was from Stereophile. - John Atkinson 10:35:36 12/21/06 (1)
- Norm has a hard time telling a good story . . . - Pat D 09:27:37 12/27/06 (0)
- Measurements are NOT always relevant. - thetubeguy1954 06:07:34 12/20/06 (7)
- Re: Read the context of those statements - theaudiohobby 07:20:24 12/20/06 (6)
- I did, did you? - thetubeguy1954 08:05:11 12/20/06 (5)
- Re: I did, did you? - theaudiohobby 08:12:19 12/20/06 (4)
- Playing Pat D-Cake Games Now? - thetubeguy1954 10:27:37 12/20/06 (3)
- Re: As per Pat D's comments, logic is not your forte - theaudiohobby 13:46:18 12/20/06 (2)
- You have my sympathy! - Pat D 14:41:27 12/20/06 (1)
- Re: You have my sympathy! Thanks - theaudiohobby 15:25:05 12/20/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 12/20/0610:29:02 12/20/06 (3)
- Re: What's Not Trivial - thetubeguy1954 11:01:29 12/20/06 (2)
- Re: What's Not Trivial - Steve Eddy 12:03:58 12/20/06 (1)
- Your Answer - thetubeguy1954 14:29:20 12/20/06 (0)
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