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Disagree: this thread is interesting.

mfc is drawing out SE's position, which many of us find uncomfortable, but which no one, to my knowledge, has been able to successfully counter in this forum.

I don't think anyone who posts here would argue that it is impossible, or even difficult, to fool people into agreeing that different treatments cause changes in sound when in fact the treatments are the same. Likewise, listening for differences as a gauge of engineering changes to circuits becomes problematical when the differences are real but very small in magnitude.

What I find disquieting about SE's approach, however, is his leap of logic to make the claim that one should somehow prove that audible differences are real (but without listening!) before reporting the results of changes.

This suggests a logical fallacy called Argument from Ignorance (see link). Just because we cannot prove something to be true does not necessarily make it false, and just because we cannot prove something to be false does not necessarily make it true.

It is unlikely that anyone who routinely depends on bench measurements can prove that the meters they use were not tampered with the night before. We can easily imagine a prankster more clever than the security measures present in the laboratory. By SE's logic, then, we should not pay attention to their results, since they might be false and misleading.



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