RE: Shunyata Hydra Model-4 internals

Posted by Grant (M) on May 16, 2008 at 09:51:50

In Reply to: Shunyata Hydra Model-4 internals posted by andy_c on May 13, 2008 at 09:50:09:

Hi Andy,

This 10 Audio article has come up several times and been answered on these forums before in great detail. However, I will offer another reply here to answer the issues you raise, since you have referenced that article.

> > > "There's an interesting web page that shows the internals of a Shunyate Hydra Model-4 here. The manufacturer's literature of this device claims that it contains a "7-element 'Venom filter'". LOL! < < <

In 2005 I declined Mr. 10's offer of a "review" in exchange for us loaning him products. His response to my decline was clearly one of someone being affronted. He said with emphasis that he would get our product some other way and review it without our cooperation. It doesn't take more than a cursory read to see the effect my decline had on the tone and content of his comments.

He "reviewed" a product that was a long out of spec product by 2005, so there is no surprise that his photo's didn't match what we were producing, or the listed spec's on our web at that time. I wish once in a while people would question just for a moment, and not simply accept web-made-up negative information as accurate without looking a bit further. This fellow plowed ahead without question because we 'failed to accommodate' him.

There have been many advances within our products since the pictured H4 was made in 2002 and an entire board constructed with the multi-element filter array that is both pictured and described in detail on our web. That network did not exist within the first production run model that 10 likely purchased used, and wrote about in '05. Our listed specs and tech have been _exactly_ accurate on our web related to current production every step of the way.

> > "The device has a garden variety circuit breaker in series, along with 0.1uF filter capacitors and metal oxide varistors (MOVs) across the outlets." < < <

This is inaccurate. We use a Carling electro-magnetic breaker and there is nothing cheap or pedestrian about it. It is an extremely expensive part compared to any other type of breaker, thermal or otherwise on the market. And we do not use anybody's shelf capacitors, wiring or outlets. The capacitors are custom designed and bear our name. The outlets are our own design and spec, and the wiring is made for us to spec. out of solid CDA 101 copper. We have our own cryo treatment facility, our own connectors and multiple patents covering materials and technologies. 10 wanted to turn his "review" of a legitimate product into a home-depot project because of his angst.

Calling Hydras "Audiophile" products clearly skips the fact that they are more widely used in prominent professional recording, film and mastering studios than any other product of their kind--though Equitech has many applications in Pro as well.

Our industry reference list, professional endorsements and listed technologies are as well documented and explained as any product on the market could be. Yet all it takes is some ill-informed blogger with a chip on his shoulder to provide fodder for those eager to support their own perceptions.

Anyone with legitimate questions of any sort are always welcome to contact us directly. We have a well earned reputation among even the most (previously) skeptical engineers and electronics manufacturers who use and endorse our products. Our patents and tech are there for all to review and critique.

Regenerative products work great in theory. We don't believe they are as effective in practice. That said, I think both Furman and Equitech make excellent transformer based products. However, they are no more nor less technically legitimate than the products we produce without them.

Regards,

Grant
Shunyata Research

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Topic - AC Power - Lynn 19:36:47 05/7/08 (48)

RE: AC Power - Jon Risch 19:49:25 05/13/08 (0)

RE: AC Power - theaudiohobby 08:07:31 05/11/08 (16)

Shunyata Hydra Model-4 internals - andy_c 09:50:09 05/13/08 (1)

RE: Shunyata Hydra Model-4 internals - Grant 05/16/0809:51:50 05/16/08 (0)

"But as you may have guessed, many audiophile vendors leave their spec's up to the users' imagination. " - Analog Scott 09:35:13 05/11/08 (13)

Lumping power conditioner manufacturers into the group called "audiophile vendors" sounds like a sick joke to me. - Ugly 10:42:57 05/11/08 (12)

after our exchange on another thread - Analog Scott 21:44:43 05/12/08 (11)

Yes I remember. It appeared you were being purposefully obtuse there too. - Ugly 07:50:17 05/13/08 (10)

RE: Yes I remember. It appeared you were being purposefully obtuse there too. - Analog Scott 16:24:30 05/13/08 (9)

lol ... - TBone 17:40:18 05/14/08 (5)

Ha! I see the most respected among us are starting to band together. - Ugly 18:54:05 05/14/08 (4)

figures .... - TBone 21:20:13 05/14/08 (3)

RE: figures .... - Ugly 01:46:50 05/15/08 (2)

the advantages of pretending ... - TBone 06:04:20 05/15/08 (1)

Now there is a solid argument... - Ugly 07:29:12 05/15/08 (0)

RE: Yes I remember. It appeared you were being purposefully obtuse there too. - Ugly 07:46:17 05/14/08 (2)

"Here is a hint: read my posts slowly and several times." - Analog Scott 15:08:13 05/14/08 (1)

RE: "Here is a hint: read my posts slowly and several times." - Ugly 19:11:23 05/14/08 (0)

Here's one... - Al Sekela 20:46:43 05/9/08 (18)

For some reason - E-Stat 07:14:47 05/10/08 (17)

Which is completely reasonable considering the subject of the thread... - Ugly 13:22:50 05/11/08 (14)

Not sure I understand your point - E-Stat 14:06:43 05/11/08 (13)

What I said is clear but in case it helps... - Ugly 15:47:03 05/11/08 (12)

Perhaps I should more clearly stated my point - E-Stat 16:54:56 05/11/08 (11)

RE: Perhaps I should more clearly stated my point - Ugly 18:47:25 05/11/08 (10)

I see - E-Stat 19:12:55 05/11/08 (9)

RE: I see - Ugly 21:02:00 05/11/08 (8)

The problem with big, honking filter capacitors - Al Sekela 13:49:08 05/12/08 (2)

RE: The problem with big, honking filter capacitors - Ugly 14:29:08 05/12/08 (0)

RE: The problem with big, honking filter capacitors - andy_c 14:07:58 05/12/08 (0)

Ok - E-Stat 05:51:58 05/12/08 (4)

RE: Ok - Ugly 15:11:53 05/12/08 (3)

I think we agree as to the problem - E-Stat 15:24:01 05/12/08 (2)

RE: I think we agree as to the problem - Ugly 19:55:57 05/12/08 (1)

No problemo. Enjoyed the chat -nt - E-Stat 07:26:37 05/13/08 (0)

"Ignorance is bliss" and... - mkuller 11:30:15 05/10/08 (1)

You forgot using some intended superiority words - E-Stat 18:00:23 05/10/08 (0)

Neutrals and single ended RCAs - Russ57 09:41:56 05/9/08 (0)

Perhaps they have tried nearly all such devices and know better than to use them. nt - Norm 09:06:41 05/8/08 (0)

RE: AC Power - Ugly 22:59:16 05/7/08 (8)

RE: AC Power - rick_m 08:06:16 05/8/08 (7)

RE: AC Power - Lynn 19:41:44 05/8/08 (1)

RE: AC Power - rick_m 08:49:39 05/9/08 (0)

I couldn't agree more. n/t - Ugly 13:21:27 05/8/08 (0)

RE: AC Power - unclestu52 11:53:42 05/8/08 (1)

RE: AC Power - rick_m 13:55:17 05/8/08 (0)

Mmmm.. - cheap-Jack 09:04:13 05/8/08 (1)

RE: Mmmm.. - rick_m 10:09:29 05/8/08 (0)

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