Here ya go: Subjectivists claim, objectivists proclaim. The former, mildly, the latter, loudly. nt

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Topic - Questions to AJinFLA (no joke). - carcass93 11:06:11 04/22/08 (170)

Question to carcass93 (no joke). - AJinFLA 14:03:41 04/22/08 (158)

RE: Question to carcass93 (no joke). - Todd Krieger 23:13:27 04/22/08 (2)

Yes, of course. Shame could be the reason he is afraid to list it - AJinFLA 16:03:26 04/23/08 (0)

RE: Question to carcass93 (no joke). - kerr 05:58:54 04/23/08 (0)

My impression after this exchange is that... - carcass93 14:50:13 04/22/08 (5)

I am under no obligation to answer Trolls - AJinFLA 03:03:31 04/23/08 (0)

Absolutely 100% Correct Determination - thetubeguy1954 17:25:51 04/22/08 (3)

"He's worse than Soundmind ever was." Oh, BURN! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:25:42 04/24/08 (0)

Yep. unfortunately I guess dealing with garbage like that is unavoidable... - carcass93 07:34:18 04/23/08 (1)

He's A Perfect Example Of GIGO In Action! - thetubeguy1954 18:10:35 04/23/08 (0)

Answer - carcass93 14:21:35 04/22/08 (148)

RE: Answer - AJinFLA 14:33:34 04/22/08 (147)

Sorry to disappoint you... I really don't see any reason to be more specific. N/T - carcass93 14:39:29 04/22/08 (146)

There is only one reason - AJinFLA 14:52:21 04/22/08 (145)

While I don't understand - E-Stat 16:14:31 04/22/08 (14)

Oh but you do understand, as do I. He is either a Troll with no system - AJinFLA 03:19:21 04/23/08 (12)

RE: Oh but you do understand, as do I. He is either a Troll with no system - morricab 06:39:50 04/23/08 (11)

F'ing crazy? - AJinFLA 16:17:58 04/23/08 (7)

RE: F'ing crazy? - morricab 04:10:36 04/24/08 (6)

RE: F'ing crazy? - theaudiohobby 16:15:22 04/25/08 (5)

RE: F'ing crazy? - morricab 02:35:03 04/28/08 (4)

Does that render you immune to cognitive biases in respect of audio? - AJinFLA 09:24:19 04/28/08 (3)

RE: Does that render you immune to cognitive biases in respect of audio? - morricab 12:15:28 04/28/08 (1)

You're wasting your time with couple of nut jobs. - carcass93 08:29:04 04/29/08 (0)

RE: Does that render you immune to cognitive biases in respect of audio? - theaudiohobby 10:50:27 04/28/08 (0)

Even more funny is that - bjh 14:26:35 04/23/08 (2)

RE: Even more funny is that - morricab 04:15:06 04/24/08 (1)

Well ... - bjh 09:40:02 04/24/08 (0)

I'm inclined to give some freedom to AJinFLA's creativity, that's why. - carcass93 20:23:36 04/22/08 (0)

That's funny - Analog Scott 15:15:44 04/22/08 (125)

Funny? - AJinFLA 03:30:17 04/23/08 (7)

I've been great - Analog Scott 05:57:32 04/23/08 (6)

Salma Hayak ...mmmm..yummy - AJinFLA 16:34:37 04/23/08 (5)

RE: Salma Hayak ...mmmm..yummy - Analog Scott 17:15:37 04/23/08 (4)

Ella? - thetubeguy1954 18:23:02 04/23/08 (1)

That is her - Analog Scott 20:26:52 04/23/08 (0)

She was more facinated by my life long abstinence from drugs and alcohol - AJinFLA 17:41:42 04/23/08 (1)

You could claim to be a born again alcoholic who accomplished the Three-Step Process - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:21 04/24/08 (0)

In all fairness - E-Stat 16:29:17 04/22/08 (116)

RE: In all fairness - AJinFLA 03:25:53 04/23/08 (115)

Technical knowledge? - E-Stat 05:46:51 04/23/08 (114)

So the everrude motor known as Tyyra is gone? nt - clarkjohnsen 08:51:40 04/24/08 (2)

She went from here to TV, after being a supermodel - kerr 09:48:30 04/24/08 (1)

Another Corey Greenberg! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:34:10 04/25/08 (0)

RE: Technical knowledge? - kerr 05:56:12 04/23/08 (110)

RE: Technical knowledge? - theaudiohobby 07:44:41 04/23/08 (109)

RE: Technical knowledge? - morricab 04:19:03 04/24/08 (2)

RE: Technical knowledge? - morricab 04:30:16 04/24/08 (1)

RE: Technical knowledge? - kerr 04:44:33 04/24/08 (0)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - rick_m 08:47:13 04/23/08 (39)

"Enjoy it in secret. Better sound with less criticism." A good rule indeed. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:45:52 04/24/08 (0)

Experience (observation) - AJinFLA 16:47:57 04/23/08 (12)

shouldn't be too hard to hear a frozen photo - Analog Scott 20:01:22 04/24/08 (0)

RE: Experience (observation) - rick_m 18:00:55 04/23/08 (10)

Chupacabra - thetubeguy1954 18:32:04 04/23/08 (9)

RE: Chupacabra - rick_m 19:06:44 04/23/08 (6)

It's classed as a cryptid or Unidentified Mysterious Animal - Pat D 05:51:12 04/24/08 (5)

As I said... - kerr 09:45:08 04/24/08 (0)

Another Idiotic Assumption Pat D Made About Me! - thetubeguy1954 09:35:22 04/24/08 (3)

"Being the uninformed idiot he is, Pat-D-Cake continually mistakenly speaks about my beliefs " - Richard BassNut Greene 13:46:00 04/25/08 (1)

RE: "Being the uninformed idiot he is, Pat-D-Cake continually mistakenly speaks about my beliefs " - Pat D 16:15:28 04/27/08 (0)

I'm just following your rules. (nt) - Pat D 08:07:43 04/25/08 (0)

RE: Chupacabra - kerr 19:01:03 04/23/08 (1)

Chupacapocus! (nt) - Pat D 07:11:12 05/16/08 (0)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - theaudiohobby 11:24:37 04/23/08 (24)

A classic case of attacking anecdotal evidence with anecdotal evidence - Analog Scott 14:38:14 04/23/08 (2)

Scott, where are Jon Risch's tests again? (nt) - AJinFLA 16:36:33 04/23/08 (1)

odd question - Analog Scott 17:17:11 04/23/08 (0)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - rick_m 14:06:41 04/23/08 (10)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - morricab 04:24:42 04/24/08 (9)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - rick_m 08:14:53 04/24/08 (8)

Is this the key to the blind testing problem? - Tony Lauck 14:12:01 04/24/08 (3)

RE: Is this the key to the blind testing problem? - morricab 02:40:31 04/28/08 (0)

As they used to say on TV, "Verrrrry interesting." nt - clarkjohnsen 09:56:37 04/25/08 (0)

RE: Is this the key to the blind testing problem? - rick_m 15:28:04 04/24/08 (0)

Totally agree re: "frequency response variations". Those, and white noise, fade into the background. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:10:46 04/24/08 (0)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - morricab 08:28:33 04/24/08 (2)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - rick_m 09:20:21 04/24/08 (1)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - morricab 02:41:38 04/28/08 (0)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - kerr 11:55:43 04/23/08 (9)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - theaudiohobby 14:52:14 04/23/08 (5)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - kerr 17:43:05 04/23/08 (0)

"Now would you classify audiophile experiences as empirical observations or testimonials?" - Analog Scott 15:50:23 04/23/08 (3)

I once got kicked in the testimonials -- boy did that hurt (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 08:36:11 04/24/08 (0)

"The poor fools no little about real science." - AJinFLA 16:52:01 04/23/08 (1)

thank you for the correction - Analog Scott 17:19:43 04/23/08 (0)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - thetubeguy1954 14:01:16 04/23/08 (2)

RE: How many audiophile experiences can be verified by empirical (not anecdotal) observation? - kerr 10:01:19 04/24/08 (0)

"'Objectivists'... have their own version of what empirical means here @ PHP." Of course they do! They must nt - clarkjohnsen 08:49:16 04/24/08 (0)

RE: Technical knowledge? - kerr 08:37:54 04/23/08 (65)

RE: Technical knowledge? - theaudiohobby 11:10:29 04/23/08 (59)

RE: Technical knowledge? - kerr 11:41:47 04/23/08 (58)

RE: Technical knowledge? - theaudiohobby 15:11:35 04/23/08 (57)

RE: Technical knowledge? - kerr 17:36:34 04/23/08 (56)

Here ya go: Subjectivists claim, objectivists proclaim. The former, mildly, the latter, loudly. nt - clarkjohnsen 04/24/0809:21:53 04/24/08 (3)

"... the latter, loudly." And usually incorrectly. - kerr 10:13:00 04/24/08 (2)

Now you're making pretty big assumption - but we'll never know... - carcass93 12:15:41 04/24/08 (1)

My theory - kerr 12:30:12 04/24/08 (0)

RE: Technical knowledge? - theaudiohobby 22:59:15 04/23/08 (51)

RE: Technical knowledge? - kerr 04:42:14 04/24/08 (50)

RE: Technical knowledge? - theaudiohobby 10:58:43 04/24/08 (49)

I'm pretty sure you've read the referenced source this far: - carcass93 12:38:45 04/24/08 (2)

Yeah it makes sense and reminds me the world is flat. - Ugly 16:20:30 04/25/08 (1)

RE: Thanks for providing an excellent example -nt - theaudiohobby 12:38:37 04/26/08 (0)

RE: Technical knowledge? - kerr 12:21:07 04/24/08 (45)

RE: Technical knowledge? - theaudiohobby 03:47:19 04/25/08 (44)

Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - kerr 04:45:04 04/25/08 (43)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - theaudiohobby 09:40:11 04/25/08 (42)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - kerr 10:47:14 04/25/08 (41)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - theaudiohobby 11:32:17 04/25/08 (40)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - kerr 13:01:41 04/25/08 (39)

Long-term DBT example - andy_c 17:52:32 04/25/08 (23)

RE: Long-term DBT example - rick_m 18:17:53 04/25/08 (22)

RE: Long-term DBT example - andy_c 18:35:48 04/25/08 (21)

RE: Long-term DBT example - rick_m 13:32:19 04/26/08 (19)

RE: Long-term DBT example - andy_c 14:41:26 04/26/08 (18)

RE: Long-term DBT example - morricab 04:01:33 04/28/08 (12)

RE: Long-term DBT example - andy_c 08:54:48 04/28/08 (11)

RE: Long-term DBT example - morricab 04:13:50 04/29/08 (1)

RE: Long-term DBT example - andy_c 07:44:10 04/30/08 (0)

RE: Long-term DBT example - rick_m 14:22:42 04/28/08 (8)

RE: Long-term DBT example - andy_c 15:33:25 04/28/08 (7)

RE: Long-term DBT example - rick_m 18:11:43 04/28/08 (6)

Aargh!!! This is going off the page to the right!!! :-) - andy_c 21:02:07 04/28/08 (5)

RE: Aargh!!! This is going off the page to the right!!! :-) - rick_m 22:21:38 04/28/08 (4)

RE: Aargh!!! This is going off the page to the right!!! :-) - morricab 04:22:52 04/29/08 (3)

RE: Aargh!!! This is going off the page to the right!!! :-) - rick_m 09:51:50 04/29/08 (2)

RE: Aargh!!! This is going off the page to the right!!! :-) - andy_c 11:23:55 04/29/08 (1)

Great! Thanks Andy. -nt - rick_m 11:39:48 04/29/08 (0)

RE: Long-term DBT example - rick_m 16:25:48 04/26/08 (4)

RE: Long-term DBT example - andy_c 17:39:05 04/26/08 (3)

RE: Long-term DBT example - rick_m 21:30:19 04/26/08 (2)

RE: Long-term DBT example - AJinFLA 18:19:48 04/27/08 (1)

RE: Long-term DBT example - rick_m 19:57:25 04/27/08 (0)

Hey, thanks! - rick_m 19:01:45 04/25/08 (0)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - theaudiohobby 13:25:09 04/25/08 (14)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - kerr 13:38:15 04/25/08 (13)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - theaudiohobby 13:53:34 04/25/08 (12)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - kerr 20:17:32 04/25/08 (11)

RE: Tubeguy! You might have a contestant!!!! - theaudiohobby 12:55:44 04/26/08 (10)

Logic - kerr 14:40:05 04/26/08 (9)

RE: Faulty Logic - theaudiohobby 16:53:18 04/26/08 (8)

RE: Faulty Logic indeed - kerr 17:26:39 04/26/08 (7)

RE: Yep, Faulty Logic - theaudiohobby 23:24:40 04/26/08 (6)

RE: Yep, Faulty Logic - Tony Lauck 08:57:51 04/27/08 (3)

RE: Yep, Faulty Logic - theaudiohobby 09:29:50 04/27/08 (2)

Yes, a poor test is a poor test. - Tony Lauck 10:05:17 04/27/08 (1)

RE: Yes, a poor test is a poor test. - andy_c 10:31:10 04/27/08 (0)

Insufficient and continued faulty logic. Anything else? (nt) - kerr 07:48:12 04/27/08 (1)

RE: Yeah right.... - theaudiohobby 09:03:07 04/27/08 (0)

Technical Knowledge & Objectivist Semantics... - thetubeguy1954 10:52:18 04/23/08 (2)

RE: Technical Knowledge & Objectivist Semantics... - middleground 18:03:21 05/8/08 (0)

RE: Technical Knowledge & Objectivist Semantics... - kerr 11:44:07 04/23/08 (0)

Testing observations. - rick_m 08:57:37 04/23/08 (1)

But... isn't proving something to one's own satisfaction a sort of... crime? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:16:30 04/24/08 (0)

What are you insecure about? May I help you with something? N/T - carcass93 14:53:37 04/22/08 (3)

I know insecurity about your system is your achilles heel. That's why I will keep asking :-) nt - AJinFLA 15:01:42 04/22/08 (2)

No, you'll keep asking because you're... - carcass93 15:07:36 04/22/08 (1)

Questions about your system makes you squeamish - AJinFLA 15:17:33 04/22/08 (0)

You Don't Honestly Expect An Intelligent Answer Do You? (nt) - thetubeguy1954 13:39:24 04/22/08 (10)

Sadly, you were right (see above)... N/T - carcass93 14:40:59 04/22/08 (3)

You gave it a good try... - robert young 10:53:59 04/23/08 (2)

Not that additional proof was needed , but yeah... it's pretty obvious. - carcass93 12:41:52 04/23/08 (1)

Simple Answers To Your Questions - thetubeguy1954 05:55:37 04/24/08 (0)

I don't want to be accused of EXPECTation bias - let's just wait. N/T - carcass93 13:58:39 04/22/08 (0)

Not from you - Richard BassNut Greene 13:42:20 04/22/08 (4)

Now that was authoritative. Not very funny or intelligent, but authoritative. N/T - carcass93 13:51:44 04/22/08 (3)

20 minutes of writing and rewriting and editing and proofreading and typing and that's the only complement I get - Richard BassNut Greene 14:01:18 04/22/08 (2)

Authority as a Source of Information - Tony Lauck 17:46:19 04/22/08 (0)

I had no idea myself, so I Google'd it - - carcass93 14:10:36 04/22/08 (0)

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Here ya go: Subjectivists claim, objectivists proclaim. The former, mildly, the latter, loudly. nt - clarkjohnsen 04/24/0809:21:53 04/24/08 (3)

"... the latter, loudly." And usually incorrectly. - kerr 10:13:00 04/24/08 (2)

Now you're making pretty big assumption - but we'll never know... - carcass93 12:15:41 04/24/08 (1)

My theory - kerr 12:30:12 04/24/08 (0)

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