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In Reply to: Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. posted by morricab on April 13, 2007 at 02:27:03:
> > I was thinking of a non-beltian way that an MP3 player could be improved by freezing. You are feeding this out to a DAC, right? Perhaps the freezing is simply lowering the jitter of the USB interface? Or perhaps dropping its noise floor by a few microvolts. < <I know there's a lot of resistance to Beltian concepts here, and I know that's putting it mildly. But every time I see people trying to figure out explanations for Beltian effects within parameters they are more familiar with (ie. conventional understanding of "logic"), I'm compelled to shake my head to and fro. So it's not that what you're saying isn't "logical", but there's two basic problems with it. Every single audio component responds the same way, so it isn't simply about USB interfaces and DACs.
More importantly, so do non-audio components exhibit similar effects. Yes, people do freeze audio equipment with the idea that the process is somehow affecting the metals, other materials or electronic parts. But photos don't have USB interfaces, and neither do some of the other things I've tried. So once you get far more advanced into this phenomenon, well like everything in audio and life, it doesn't seem as simple as it once did. How can it work then, if the process isn't having a direct effect on the electronics? This is how: the process is treating the object. The 'treated' object now reacts differently with your senses, and anyone else's. It might be said that it's really your senses that are changing, not the object. Why and how does it reactly differently? That's a long story, and a whole nuther can of worms, as they say...
> > I guess I could put a picture in the freezer. Doesn't hurt anyone or pollute the environment. If I understand this correctly the picture in the freezer only affects the listener whose picture it is thats in there, right? < <
Good question, and that's what I thought initially. But apparently not. A lot of Beltists it seems also employ pictures of their loved ones, for similar effects. But before you start complicating things by bringing testers in, and reel-to-reels and doing multiple photos of each, I would start simple with seeing if you can discern the effects yourself, sighted test knowing when your signed photos (young and present) are in the freezer. It might be tricky for you to discern at first if you've never heard a Belt effect, I don't know. I know for beginners, the effect of a Belt treatment removed is usually stronger than in place. If you can establish a distinct improvement in that test, you can go on to having someone remove the photo without your knowledge. Then if you want to get ambitious, I suppose you could test multiple people. Beltists have taken this "tweak" to an art, and they add all sorts of things to the pictures when freezing. One of them, besides signing their name on the back, is to write: 'x 26 'x (which are special coordinates... long, long story...). (I'm just adding that because why not, it might help).
As for your playback source, consider that analogue might have its own issues. A tape rubbing against a playback head is not the most precise mechanism either, and in my long forgotten experiences with cassette, can sound a bit different each time as well. If you're worried about differences with CD playback, why not just try Jerome's idea of turning off the player between each repeat of the test? I use CD all the time in my testing, and I can still make meaningful discernments.
Objective Audiophile 2007
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