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In Reply to: OK, all you hi-RPM propellerheads........... posted by Roger Hill on May 1, 2003 at 08:33:23:
Oh Sighhhhhh,Look I am not an audio engineer, but I am a musically acute and capable person and a long term 'phile, > 30 years. Most systems I have heard are just crap at 'music'.
What's worse, more of these than not, fitted the Nth American big amp and 'prick of a load dynamic (m.c.) spkrs' model, to boot. Grin. *
Anway her goes with another stir from Timbo on my main hobby horse about audio, for music anyway.......
Isn't it time that this obsession with continuous tone test spectra was dropped? Sheesh!
Here is a given - about how our hearing and affective systems work - .......
they treat the continuous tone (F plus H) of all instruments, as a third order factor, of statistically uncertain value in 'getting' the music;
That is - perceived characteristic timbre, the player's varying 'tone', his expression, and old UNCLE TOM Cobbley and all are not usefully helped by the continuous tone.
YES!
Attacks and decay's are what our hearing really cares about, did you not all know this? Been known for 'a few' generations, and probably helped ribbon and capacitor mikes get up for recording
And if you do, why isn't incorporated into the questions you ask? Dominant paradigm's are almost unconscious aren't they, is that part of their power to waste our time?
One of the first lessons I learnt in 'systems theory' was emergent properties. Aspects that cannot always be explained by looking at properties at lower levels.
The 'sense' of music in all its wonderful (a!) tonality pitch and interplay is actually and counterintuitively a product primarily of the attacks and decays on each note, and NOT of the harmonics on the fundamental of each note. This is true, so why this obsession with high odd order THD.
As we old Chorister's say, 'if yer can't pitch yer can't pitch'.
Dig it, ie THINK about it.
I don't like unnaturally high levels of high order uneven harmonics. who the **** does? Easy to fix, isn't it?
Just maybe it really indicates an inability to get attacks and decay's right?
Maybe not into real loudspeakers, though. HMMMM. wrong model?
Timbo
* I just love big loud 'nearly real' systems. One of the best ever, I heard replaying a service at Newcastle Cathedral ( in Australia).It was for Anzac Day and I was staying with these friends who were adult members of the choir, and lived just behind the hill, in the city.
I wanted to carry my dad's medals in the march, (worn on the other breast) and couldn't sing AND get to the march on time. But, I could listen for a while and get to the march. They said I could listen and then lock up in time to go.
The live relay was on the ABC, on AM (wide bandwidth AM), mono, and through little tube amps, Tannoy 15 inch DC's, and 18 inch deep bass, in corner reflex built-in floor to ceiling (19C ceilings!) enclosures, made from sand layered marine ply baffles the rest of bricks, lagged surfaces. Solid brick house, this ground floor being of laid cut stone blocks.
But I was 'there' guys, right in the choir, in the sanctuary. One stereo single capsule mike.
1963 I think. The R2R stereo copy they got from their friend, the ABC engineer, was a bit hissy I guess, and only just a bit better.
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- the continous tone paradigm - AGAIN! STILL! sheesh - Timbo in Oz 05/9/0300:17:54 05/9/03 (0)
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