In Reply to: Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... posted by Steve Eddy on May 8, 2003 at 07:56:26:
Hi Steve,"Only that it's rather silly to relate them to the music scale
itself." ... "Particularly given that the western, even-tempered
scale you're relating them to isn't universal."This particular phenomena is one that clicks with me so I
have to disagree. One of the phenomena I hear with too much
distortion is that things sound out of tune. When John Curl
mentioned that harmonics are out of tune with the piano, it
was an AHA moment. If you've ever tuned a ham radio receiver
thru a station playing music, and listened to the splatter
of side bands...that's the same effect magnified 100x."Rather it's how the harmonics effect the tones of the instruments."
I agree with this, and am thinking of the violin or clarinet makers
who looked for just the right recipe of varnishes and woods to make
their particular instrument sound just right. A couple hundred years
of development to get it just right. Subtle to say the least. Passing
those beautifully constructed tones thru an amp, and what comes out
the other side? Can we say that those tones will be treated with the
same care that they were originally produced? ... Can you say don't
cast your pearls before swine.
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- Re: OK, all you hi-RPM propellerheads........... - mfc 00:44:19 05/2/03 (21)
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- Re: OK, all you hi-RPM propellerheads........... - Scott Frankland 20:14:16 05/3/03 (0)
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- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - john curl 14:39:29 05/1/03 (23)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 15:48:05 05/2/03 (22)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - john curl 21:28:10 05/3/03 (21)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 10:24:17 05/4/03 (19)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 19:44:49 05/4/03 (0)
- Thank you! - Leisure7 13:52:24 05/4/03 (0)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - john curl 13:10:49 05/4/03 (16)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 21:19:35 05/4/03 (15)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - Steve Eddy 21:34:34 05/6/03 (14)
- Amplifier harmonics vs real instruments - Scott Frankland 13:31:07 05/8/03 (2)
- Re: Amplifier harmonics vs real instruments - Steve Eddy 16:43:20 05/8/03 (1)
- Re: Amplifier harmonics vs real instruments - Scott Frankland 17:22:05 05/8/03 (0)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 00:39:08 05/7/03 (10)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - Steve Eddy 07:56:26 05/8/03 (4)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 05/8/0319:37:13 05/8/03 (3)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - john curl 09:33:36 05/9/03 (2)
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- Re: Ordered it from Amazon, and Test setup - john curl 11:57:57 05/9/03 (0)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - john curl 15:25:00 05/7/03 (4)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - Steve Eddy 07:47:20 05/8/03 (2)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - john curl 11:45:34 05/8/03 (1)
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- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 21:37:28 05/3/03 (0)
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- My favorite math professor.......... - Roger Hill 11:10:36 05/1/03 (0)
- I speed-scrolled through it... - clarkjohnsen 08:49:24 05/1/03 (1)
- If you had just risked your life.......... - Roger Hill 09:43:39 05/1/03 (0)
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- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - mfc 05/8/0319:37:13 05/8/03 (3)
- Re: The paper can't be that good and here's why... - john curl 09:33:36 05/9/03 (2)
- Ordered it from Amazon, and Test setup - mfc 10:39:40 05/9/03 (1)
- Re: Ordered it from Amazon, and Test setup - john curl 11:57:57 05/9/03 (0)