Jevons Paradox

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Topic - ``We are outsourcing refining,'' - piece-it pete 07:10:44 06/6/07 (72)

Bullshit, the American Petroleum Institute's(+Chevron & Exxon) own documents refute that reasoning.... - darkmoebius 09:30:17 06/6/07 (7)

Why didn't Senator Wyden make this more available to the media? nt - Norm 11:32:54 06/6/07 (0)

I stand corrected. - piece-it pete 09:47:43 06/6/07 (5)

It's amazing how they still use that "Enviro Reg" and get away with it..... - darkmoebius 09:55:05 06/6/07 (4)

A comment from western Canada... - Jim Pearce 10:58:01 06/6/07 (0)

I heard - piece-it pete 10:14:37 06/6/07 (2)

That's one reason everyone feels like the MMS is slanted towards the other guys views/politics, etc. - sjb 10:23:59 06/6/07 (1)

Of course that should be MSM. nt - sjb 10:26:42 06/6/07 (0)

A balance - Mike B. 07:51:18 06/6/07 (0)

Would you rather breath or have U.S. refined gasoline? - Norm 07:45:03 06/6/07 (49)

I'd rather breathe refined gasoline. - HiFi Guy 09:08:53 06/6/07 (14)

Haven't you been doing this all along? Just judging by the inflammatory vitriol you usually spew at Progressives. (nt) - Audiophilander 10:31:34 06/6/07 (0)

Your location tells me you are lying. ..nt - late 09:11:21 06/6/07 (12)

yours tells me you gave up NT - Jazz Inmate 09:19:26 06/6/07 (11)

I am where I want to be. And frankly, from your descriptions of your life.... I wouldn't wish it on anyone - late 09:30:36 06/6/07 (10)

thanks, but I live a charmed existence in one of the most desireable locales in the world NT - Jazz Inmate 10:15:55 06/6/07 (3)

I'd call it cursed, whatever ..nt - late 14:10:33 06/6/07 (2)

have fun finding a redwood tree in your neck'o the woods - Jazz Inmate 17:35:49 06/6/07 (1)

Maine has trees up the wazoo ..nt - late 18:16:45 06/6/07 (0)

Speaking of bikes you wanna buy my 56CM reynolds 753 frame? - Scott Woebcke 09:42:36 06/6/07 (5)

Thanks, but I am far too old for stiff and I already have a terrific steel frame ..nt - late 14:07:45 06/6/07 (4)

You are too old for "stiff" and besides your belly covers it anyway........n/t - John EH 14:55:35 06/6/07 (3)

Unless you pay for it... I have more sex than you ..nt - late 15:01:43 06/6/07 (2)

UHHHH Fat boy......I'm married too..........n/t - John EH 15:05:25 06/6/07 (1)

You are also away from home.But perhaps you pay for it on the road ...n/t - late 15:16:06 06/6/07 (0)

The USA can already refine more oil than it can produce - GliderGuider 08:02:47 06/6/07 (33)

Surely you jest. - HiFi Guy 09:10:12 06/6/07 (1)

: Surely you don't know what you're talking about. Oh wait, you never do ..nt - late 09:12:03 06/6/07 (0)

Hey now. - piece-it pete 08:37:50 06/6/07 (1)

I don't think refining capacity is the choke point. - GliderGuider 08:47:11 06/6/07 (0)

If we switch to nuclear energy, can we.... - The Real Dick Hertz 08:31:35 06/6/07 (4)

Might be a good alternate use for our troops in Iraq..... - oscar 08:38:16 06/6/07 (3)

Manitoba??? You're welcome to keep it. - GliderGuider 08:45:38 06/6/07 (2)

I guess that settles it then. - The Real Dick Hertz 09:31:42 06/6/07 (1)

Oh no, Maitoba's a lovely place. - GliderGuider 09:44:30 06/6/07 (0)

RE: The USA can already refine more oil than it can produce - Draz 08:14:54 06/6/07 (20)

Nuclear power will not lower the price of gasoline - GliderGuider 08:44:02 06/6/07 (17)

Very soon now, GG, we will have smart governments. - Jim Pearce 09:14:03 06/6/07 (14)

RE: Very soon now, GG, we will have smart governments. - HiFi Guy 09:26:18 06/6/07 (0)

RE: Very soon now,... - piece-it pete 09:17:16 06/6/07 (0)

Don't bogart that joint, Jim! - GliderGuider 09:16:39 06/6/07 (1)

In all seriousness though GG, there are some city, state and provincial initiatives... - Jim Pearce 09:28:27 06/6/07 (0)

Except 200 million Americans without access to mass transit will be SOL. nt - oscar 09:16:25 06/6/07 (9)

A few billion global citizens may be SOL. - GliderGuider 09:22:27 06/6/07 (8)

Factor in the disproportionate amount of automobile use in the USA. - oscar 10:47:24 06/6/07 (6)

Culture shock won't kill you, food shortages will. - GliderGuider 11:36:28 06/6/07 (5)

I light a cigarette post-peak, GG. - Jim Pearce 11:49:50 06/6/07 (0)

I expect Resource wars will accomplish a lot of the "necessary culling". - oscar 11:43:38 06/6/07 (3)

They may not be enough. - GliderGuider 12:26:07 06/6/07 (0)

The serious resource wars will be fought over water oscar. - Jim Pearce 12:03:06 06/6/07 (0)

A good argument for - piece-it pete 12:01:37 06/6/07 (0)

Agreed. - piece-it pete 10:25:51 06/6/07 (0)

Yikes. - piece-it pete 09:06:11 06/6/07 (1)

One ray of hope is Kerala in India. - GliderGuider 09:41:04 06/6/07 (0)

if we don't use the gas, China will... so gas prices will continue to rise. - oscar 08:29:58 06/6/07 (1)

Jevons Paradox - GliderGuider 06/6/0709:01:01 06/6/07 (0)

Memories of Chernobyl, Three Mile Island et al are sobering. - oscar 08:11:35 06/6/07 (2)

RE: Memories of Chernobyl, Three Mile Island et al are sobering. - Kelly McDonald 08:40:10 06/6/07 (1)

RE: Memories of Chernobyl, Three Mile Island et al are sobering. - Dan Banquer 09:18:33 06/6/07 (0)

We don't need any refineries.... let gas prices rise so as to encourage Conservation. - oscar 07:42:39 06/6/07 (1)

On behalf of the PRC, thank you nt - DWPC 09:59:55 06/6/07 (0)

Try that again, and see if you can figure out what actually happened this time ..nt - late 07:35:42 06/6/07 (10)

Yes sir. - piece-it pete 07:38:45 06/6/07 (9)

Oil companies save money and don't want to deal with the negative press from NIMBY attacks ..nt - late 07:59:47 06/6/07 (8)

"...about the cost of building 10 big refineries. ...." - piece-it pete 08:21:18 06/6/07 (5)

and.. - late 09:09:55 06/6/07 (4)

RE: and.. - piece-it pete 09:14:26 06/6/07 (3)

I don't have the time. Here's a crazy idea, read something ..nt - late 09:20:03 06/6/07 (2)

I try to stay away from crazy ideas like that. - piece-it pete 10:21:36 06/6/07 (1)

And where was I wrong? ..nt - late 14:12:46 06/6/07 (0)

You are right that NIMBYism is a bigger obstacle than environmental regs... - rditmars 08:14:57 06/6/07 (1)

You got me there. The last deal they offered was very sweet ..nt - late 08:48:55 06/6/07 (0)

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