In Reply to: The same variations in Record Highs and Lows vs the year they occured can be found anywhere in the world. posted by HiFi Guy on January 18, 2007 at 09:38:47:
Yes temperatures vary. That's why pictures of regional climates are built up out of long term averages from large numbers of reporting stations (not single points like you cited). The map I posted is just one of the ways such data can be presented. It's not a prediction, it's a representation of those facts you're so fond of. It says the land masses in the Northern Hemisphere were, on average, much warmer than the observed average calculated for that same month over many years. No predictions, just facts.The theory comes in when we ask the question, "What does this mean?" and the predictions come in when we ask, "What does this imply for the future?"
The importance of this map is that the facts it presents fit the observations we'd expect if the theory of Global Warming is correct (regardless of whether it's anthropogenic or not): greater average positive temperature anomalies towards the poles and over continental land masses, with the area covered by the anomalies being a significant part of the hemisphere.
Is it predictive? There's the rub. While it is more predictive than your stupid single-site example, it is only one month of one year. As such it's suggestive (because it fits the expectations so well), but not conclusive (because it's only one temporal datum).
How much weight should we give it? That depends on whether we think the theory is correct, and even then on whether we think the upper limits of the currently proposed average temperature rise and timescale are plausible. If any of those don't apply of course, you will tend to discount the observation.
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Follow Ups
- Do you really want to argue this? - GliderGuider 01/18/0709:58:12 01/18/07 (19)
- Re: Do you really want to argue this? - Victor Khomenko 10:04:12 01/18/07 (18)
- Nice bit of quote-mining. - GliderGuider 10:17:00 01/18/07 (17)
- Running away from the truth? - Victor Khomenko 11:25:44 01/18/07 (14)
- Lord you're full of shit and vinegar today. - GliderGuider 11:53:18 01/18/07 (13)
- I see you cooling down now... you should have done it before writing your dreck - Victor Khomenko 12:07:01 01/18/07 (12)
- Cooling down? Nah, I'm just getting warmed up, globally speaking - GliderGuider 12:38:56 01/18/07 (11)
- Man, you are quick with your data - you just make it on the fly, as you go - Victor Khomenko 12:45:07 01/18/07 (10)
- Your objections would hold more water if I were using this map as evidence of GW. - GliderGuider 12:56:12 01/18/07 (9)
- The funny thing is - it very well might be the evidence of GW... BUT... not the proof of YOUR MODEL - Victor Khomenko 13:04:04 01/18/07 (8)
- How do you determine if they overemphasize the human effect? - GliderGuider 13:35:10 01/18/07 (7)
- He-he... I believe I do - Victor Khomenko 14:06:13 01/18/07 (6)
- Could you point me to one of those "noise level" estimates? - GliderGuider 14:21:56 01/18/07 (5)
- Look through the archives - they have been posted here many times before - Victor Khomenko 14:40:46 01/18/07 (4)
- You're right, I was just fucking around. - GliderGuider 16:41:01 01/18/07 (3)
- Same here... - Victor Khomenko 16:54:00 01/18/07 (2)
- You'll have to wait, I'm afraid - GliderGuider 16:58:55 01/18/07 (1)
- OK, I'll consider voting for a dem, then... - Victor Khomenko 17:07:26 01/18/07 (0)
- Glider, your logic, facts, & debating skills are impeccable, but are falling on deaf ears & thick skulls. Better to - gme109 10:32:27 01/18/07 (1)
- Sigh. I know, but my didactic urges just overwhelm me sometimes. * - GliderGuider 10:41:04 01/18/07 (0)