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In Reply to: RE: Glad to see Brahms posted by Amphissa on January 22, 2011 at 09:48:16:
"[Brahms] rarely uses counterpoint"
Brahms is easily one of the most contrapuntally sophisticated 19th-century composers and clearly studied and absorbed the art of Bach.
I agree with much of your post. Lists like this aren't particularly interesting but it's a good springboard for discussion. The negativity towards Brahms among classical music fans is really very surprising. Brahms is simultaneously emotionally powerful, a simply great writer of melodies, extremely sophisticated formally, a great contrapuntalists and someone who wrote in several genres with great success and very consistently good (Brahms destroyed much of his unpublished output, which he deemed insufficiently accomplished). He is even credited with significant influences on the composers who followed him. A great, great composer.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Amphissa 12:10:25 01/21/11 (118)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - learsfool 06:44:32 01/26/11 (1)
- learsfool - jult52 09:37:29 01/26/11 (0)
- Wow, Atterburg on your list - madisonears 15:01:19 01/24/11 (2)
- RE: Wow, Atterburg on your list - Amphissa 18:36:25 01/24/11 (1)
- Atterburg 's Symphonies can be a bit of a chore...... - Chuck Y 16:02:59 01/25/11 (0)
- 10 Alphabetically - ArdRi 13:58:03 01/24/11 (4)
- Chausson - I like Viviane quite a bit. - jult52 06:42:59 01/25/11 (0)
- The painting ... - Amphissa 18:40:22 01/24/11 (2)
- I find in Moeran I think just a smidge broader - ArdRi 20:18:39 01/24/11 (1)
- Moeran is excellent..... - Chuck Y 15:46:40 01/25/11 (0)
- Tomassini is on my list... - Bill Way 12:34:32 01/24/11 (1)
- I don't think Tommasini's effort was so bad - jult52 12:38:24 01/24/11 (0)
- I Like Your List - Mike Porper 09:40:55 01/24/11 (2)
- RE: I Like Your List - Amphissa 12:49:03 01/24/11 (1)
- "But on the whole I just don't enjoy listening to his [Shostakovich's] music" - Chris from Lafayette 18:01:03 01/24/11 (0)
- RE: Top 10 - MichaelV8 08:30:42 01/24/11 (0)
- I tabulated the results for all these lists - puremusic 23:40:38 01/23/11 (8)
- Boiled down to top ten greatest except . . . - Mali 16:30:04 01/24/11 (0)
- I'd have to say that - kavakidd 15:29:56 01/24/11 (0)
- Bartok lovers - Amphissa 06:59:54 01/24/11 (5)
- Are symphonies and concertos the essential signs of a great composer? NT - David Aiken 14:18:51 01/24/11 (1)
- Absolutely not. - Mali 16:37:01 01/24/11 (0)
- RE: Bartok lovers - garrod 07:40:21 01/24/11 (2)
- RE: Bartok lovers - Amphissa 08:15:20 01/24/11 (1)
- RE: Bartok lovers - garrod 07:49:33 01/25/11 (0)
- I hfta wonder why - kavakidd 23:16:59 01/23/11 (2)
- RE: I hfta wonder why - Amphissa 07:16:31 01/24/11 (0)
- "10 most overrated composers" - farfetched 01:02:14 01/24/11 (0)
- Gee?! Okay then! - Timbo in Oz 19:22:33 01/23/11 (5)
- RE: Gee?! Okay then! - Mali 16:48:50 01/24/11 (4)
- I sing at St Pauls, Manuka in Canberra, Australia's capital. - Timbo in Oz 18:47:53 01/24/11 (3)
- RE: I sing at St Pauls, Manuka in Canberra, Australia's capital. - Mali 19:32:04 01/24/11 (2)
- No Choir School - we do a sung evensong about ten times a year - Timbo in Oz 23:31:17 01/24/11 (1)
- RE: No Choir School - we do a sung evensong about ten times a year - Mali 16:02:26 01/25/11 (0)
- Instead of arguing, I decided to just listen - Pivo 19:20:19 01/23/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Peter TeHone 08:53:38 01/23/11 (0)
- Are we talking 10 favorties or 10 greatest? - Tadlo 05:38:08 01/23/11 (9)
- Bringing up your larger question - Chris from Lafayette 21:13:25 01/23/11 (4)
- Exactly - Amphissa 08:09:36 01/24/11 (3)
- RE: Exactly - Chris from Lafayette 18:09:03 01/24/11 (0)
- RE: Exactly - Tadlo 11:33:36 01/24/11 (0)
- Interesting, but..... - puremusic 10:15:33 01/24/11 (0)
- "many are not remotely plausible as 10 greatest" - Chris from Lafayette 14:05:58 01/23/11 (1)
- agree wholeheartedly nt - farfetched 01:03:20 01/24/11 (0)
- Read the original post [nt] - Amphissa 09:36:53 01/23/11 (1)
- RE: Read the original post [nt] - Tadlo 11:35:26 01/24/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - John N 18:46:59 01/22/11 (0)
- Top 10, for now... - genungo 17:51:02 01/22/11 (2)
- I thought i would be alone on Ives Nt - Frihed89 01:14:29 01/23/11 (1)
- RE: I thought i would be alone on Ives - genungo 01:25:23 01/23/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - puremusic 13:11:48 01/22/11 (0)
- This really isn't easy - srl1 12:42:56 01/22/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Pat D 11:30:54 01/22/11 (0)
- The correct answer is... - Tadlo 09:03:50 01/22/11 (3)
- Wow! - Only ONE non-Germanic composer on that list - Chris from Lafayette 18:47:10 01/22/11 (2)
- RE: Wow! - Only ONE non-Germanic composer on that list - Tadlo 05:35:41 01/23/11 (1)
- Then you didn't answer the question that was posed [nt] - Amphissa 09:38:22 01/23/11 (0)
- I hardly know the names of 10 composers, let alone their work - Frihed89 03:11:40 01/22/11 (3)
- Where's Beethoven? - Mali 15:20:59 01/23/11 (2)
- RE: Where's Beethoven? - Frihed89 01:19:30 01/26/11 (1)
- RE: Where's Beethoven? - Mali 09:22:13 01/27/11 (0)
- My top 10… - David Aiken 23:53:48 01/21/11 (0)
- As promised, My Wife's Top Ten - Chris from Lafayette 23:46:03 01/21/11 (3)
- Glad to see Brahms - jult52 07:02:32 01/22/11 (2)
- RE: Glad to see Brahms - Amphissa 09:48:16 01/22/11 (1)
- Have to disagree with this statement - jult52 01/22/1111:57:17 01/22/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - jazz1 23:12:05 01/21/11 (1)
- I wish I had you courage!!!!!! and I think you'd love Geoffrey Lanacaster's CD's of H's piano Sonatas. - Timbo in Oz 19:27:59 01/23/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Mali 22:08:00 01/21/11 (0)
- Can't count.... - jimbill 20:22:24 01/21/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - docw 19:33:52 01/21/11 (10)
- docw like many other on the Times thread - jult52 07:00:43 01/22/11 (9)
- Speaking as another P.-I.-lister … - Charlie F. 13:22:08 01/22/11 (7)
- RE: Speaking as another P.-I.-lister … - Amphissa 14:30:06 01/22/11 (6)
- Amphissa - jult52 05:07:43 01/23/11 (1)
- RE: Amphissa - Amphissa 15:01:02 01/23/11 (0)
- RE: Speaking as another P.-I.-lister … - Todd Krieger 14:40:24 01/22/11 (3)
- Agreed! - Charlie F. 14:56:24 01/22/11 (2)
- Winter Dreams, FWIW is after many years one of the few - Chuck Y 11:09:17 01/23/11 (0)
- RE: Agreed! - Amphissa 18:11:36 01/22/11 (0)
- RE: docw like many other on the Times thread - docw 12:17:25 01/22/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - classfolkphile 19:02:18 01/21/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Todd Krieger 18:34:41 01/21/11 (2)
- The Obscure Liszt.................. - Todd Krieger 18:55:41 01/21/11 (1)
- RE: The Obscure Liszt.................. - Amphissa 18:18:27 01/22/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - cycletemp 16:11:10 01/21/11 (2)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Amphissa 16:33:49 01/21/11 (1)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - cycletemp 17:50:10 01/21/11 (0)
- An obvious list, but as with all "great" lists, there is - tinear 16:03:30 01/21/11 (4)
- RE: An obvious list, but as with all "great" lists, there is - Amphissa 16:31:43 01/21/11 (3)
- In my case, the consensus greatest also are mine. I'm a pretty - tinear 20:53:50 01/21/11 (2)
- RE: In my case, the consensus greatest also are mine. I'm a pretty - Amphissa 09:38:48 01/22/11 (1)
- All I saw in the header was "top 10." But, again to answer - tinear 12:48:06 01/22/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - k-k-k-kenny 16:00:42 01/21/11 (2)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Amphissa 16:29:50 01/21/11 (1)
- He sure is - k-k-k-kenny 21:51:13 01/21/11 (0)
- For their entire body of work, - madisonears 15:42:32 01/21/11 (1)
- RE: For their entire body of work, - Amphissa 16:27:14 01/21/11 (0)
- I Think These Are My Top 10 - Charlie F. 15:18:40 01/21/11 (2)
- RE: I Think These Are My Top 10 - Amphissa 16:24:31 01/21/11 (1)
- RE: I Think These Are My Top 10 - Charlie F. 17:09:30 01/21/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Daverz 15:02:23 01/21/11 (1)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Amphissa 16:19:51 01/21/11 (0)
- Actually, I like your list quite a bit! - Chris from Lafayette 14:58:55 01/21/11 (4)
- There's a typo on your list... - Doktor Brahms 07:48:59 01/22/11 (1)
- RE: There's a typo on your list... - Chris from Lafayette 08:23:08 01/22/11 (0)
- RE: Actually, I like your list quite a bit! - Amphissa 16:18:37 01/21/11 (1)
- The thing about Medtner. . . - Chris from Lafayette 23:51:51 01/21/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Chuck Y 14:45:32 01/21/11 (7)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - Amphissa 16:16:53 01/21/11 (6)
- These I find engaging and frequently revisited. - Chuck Y 16:41:17 01/21/11 (5)
- RE: These I find engaging and frequently revisited. - Amphissa 18:25:26 01/22/11 (4)
- Chandos' series of Stanford's music contains a performance I really like.... - Chuck Y 11:18:21 01/23/11 (3)
- RE: Chandos' series of Stanford's music contains a performance I really like.... - Amphissa 08:30:45 01/24/11 (1)
- I have Perry's and Bennetts....... - Chuck Y 15:34:31 01/25/11 (0)
- Yes, I like that disc, too. But haven't listened to it in probably years.* - Mali 15:22:12 01/23/11 (0)
- Bartok - mwhitmore 13:11:21 01/21/11 (0)
- RE: His Top 10 are certainly not mine - DemSpinner 12:53:20 01/21/11 (0)
Follow Ups
- Have to disagree with this statement - jult52 01/22/1111:57:17 01/22/11 (0)