In Reply to: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 posted by Frihed89 on September 10, 2009 at 12:12:02:
I don't find #1 or 2 particularly interesting but Barenboim's drama (BPO/Teldec), which is overdone in the later Symphonies, helps these early pieces. He's not bad in #3 either although Bohm/VPO/Decca and Szell/Dresden/Orfeo are both better.
For the Fourth:
Bohm/VPO/Decca - slow but concentrated, with golden toned playing in demonstration sound.
Ormandy/Philadelphia/Sony - quick but taut and powerful, good sound.
Karajan/BPO/EMI - slow, very romantic, in excellent sound.
These three above have playing of striking virtuosity from Orchestras at their peak.
Jochum/Dresden/EMI - beautifully austere, in dry sound which accentuates the reading - the more acclaimed Jochum/BPO/DG has better sound and playing but Jochum pushes and pulls tempos and accents around in a way many, including me, find highly distorted.
Sawallisch/Philadelphia/EMI - between the Dresden Jochum and the Bohm in style, good sound.
Wand/NDR/BMG - quick, highly dramatic, just this side of overblown, very good sound with tremendous dynamics.
Klemperer/BRSO/EMI - granitic, powerful, well played, with very good sound.
In the Fifth, Klemperer/New Philharmonia/EMI is the most acclaimed recording but I prefer the more restrained readings of Jochum/Concertgeboew/Philips and Chailly/Concertgeboew/Decca, both with better playing and in better sound.
In the Sixth, Klemperer/New Philharmonia/EMI is the only reading I've heard I've liked; fair sound.
For the Seventh:
Walter/CSO/Sony - highly idiomatic, beautifully phrased, decent sound.
Karajan/BPO/EMI - again, slow, very romantic, in very good sound.
Chailly/Concertgeboew/Decca - a straightforward reading with excellent playing and sound.
Giulini/VPO/DG - a very slow, very spiritual reading, fair to decent sound (strings are thin and harsh in climaxes though the horns are full and rich).
Bohm/VPO/Andante - a very natural reading, in poor to fair sound: it's a live recording and somewhat bright but the conducting and playing make it worth hearing.
Karajan/BPO/DG - decent sound.
Karajan/VPO/DG - very good sound.
Both recording have moderate tempos. The BPO is a little more dramatic, a touch "self-conscious". The Adagio, however, is perfect; the best I've heard: so beautifully phrased, timed and played. The VPO reading, however, is better overall as it is a completely un-selfconscious and seamless one.
Bohm/VPO/DG - good to very good sound, this has a bit more ease to it than the Karajan/VPO, but no less concentration. As good as the latter.
Wand/NDR/BMG - a live recording in Lubeck Cathedral, with excellent, incredibly spacious sound. Moderate to slow tempos, good playing. The only Bruckner Symphony I've heard that captures the Cathedral acoustic, with it's reverberation and long decay times, that Bruckner envisioned for his music.
Haitink/VPO/Philips - powerful and dramatic in good sound.
Schuricht/VPO/EMI - straightforward, very good playing (of course), moderate tempos, decent sound. Coupled with the Ninth.
Giulini/VPO/DG - same as the Giulini Seventh.
Mehta/VPO/Decca - a concentrated, intense reading of great beauty with superb playing and excellent, spacious sound.
Klemperer/New Philharmonia/EMI - a precise and granitic reading with moderate tempos, good playing and very good sound.
Schuricht/VPO/EMI - good sound; excellent playing with quick tempos.
Giulini/VPO/DG - same as the other Giulinis.
I have heard one or more Bruckner Symphonies from the following and been unimpressed: Sinopoli, Einhorn, Tintner, Tennestedt, Skrowaczewski, and Cobos-Lopez. I like Furtwangler and Beinum a lot but the early '50s sound can be hard to take.This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Topic - Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - Frihed89 12:12:02 09/10/09 (48)
- Home sick, so I did a mini Bruckner fest... - John N 10:10:58 09/18/09 (5)
- Knappertsbusch always conducted the inauthentic Schalk edition. - Daverz 18:12:41 09/18/09 (2)
- Absolutely right on all counts - Chris from Lafayette 22:39:57 09/18/09 (0)
- RE: Knappertsbusch always conducted the inauthentic Schalk edition. - John N 19:05:19 09/18/09 (0)
- Did you have the swine flu? [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 14:07:17 09/18/09 (1)
- RE: Did you have the swine flu? [nt] - John N 19:01:49 09/18/09 (0)
- The solid overall rec for many decades has been Jochim's - email@example.com 09:27:42 09/14/09 (1)
- You meant Eugen Jochum. nt - Rick W 08:44:56 09/15/09 (0)
- My CD recommendations: - classfolkphile 09/11/0921:10:25 09/11/09 (2)
- RE: My CD recommendations: - vahe 08:26:23 09/12/09 (1)
- RE: My CD recommendations: - classfolkphile 14:24:32 09/12/09 (0)
- Haitink/Concertgebouw Bruckner 9th coming to Blu-Ray - Chris from Lafayette 16:31:14 09/11/09 (1)
- Thanks for the info--I want it!!! (nt) - Russell 20:46:26 09/13/09 (0)
- Any Tintner fans out there? - jec01 07:47:06 09/11/09 (4)
- RE: Any Tintner fans out there? - firstname.lastname@example.org 09:28:51 09/13/09 (3)
- Many excellent recomendations, but I see nobody has mentioned Karl BohmÂ´s 4th with Wien Philharmonic... - orejones 03:31:57 09/11/09 (7)
- The probldem with that one... - astralnavigator 10:55:12 09/11/09 (4)
- Have you ever listened to BohmÂ´s? Otherwise, youÂ´d be prejudging, and maybe youÂ´d be missing something... (nt) - orejones 08:51:51 09/12/09 (1)
- Obviously I have, or I would not say I did. - astralnavigator 05:55:26 09/13/09 (0)
- Haven't heard the Kempe since the LP days - Chris from Lafayette 14:09:23 09/11/09 (1)
- RE: Haven't heard the Kempe since the LP days - astralnavigator 15:09:15 09/11/09 (0)
- RE: Many excellent recomendations, but I see nobody has mentioned Karl BohmÂ´s 4th with Wien Philharmonic... - docw 09:29:42 09/11/09 (1)
- BohmÂ´s VPO 4th - Chris from Lafayette 11:09:36 09/11/09 (0)
- Thanks again - Frihed89 00:00:01 09/11/09 (0)
- RE: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - learsfool 23:41:36 09/10/09 (4)
- I agree re Guilini's 7th....... - Chuck Y 09:52:49 09/11/09 (3)
- More about Giulini's 7ths (plural) - Chris from Lafayette 21:08:57 09/13/09 (2)
- RE: More about Giulini's 7ths (plural) - astralnavigator 14:59:23 09/14/09 (1)
- Excellent - We can always use more Giulini Bruckner! :-) [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 18:06:03 09/14/09 (0)
- RE: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - Daverz 23:15:28 09/10/09 (0)
- RE: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - jazz1 21:41:42 09/10/09 (0)
- I know I'm going to forget some, but. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:15:56 09/10/09 (2)
- Sanderling - Daverz 23:48:14 09/13/09 (1)
- RE: Sanderling - Chris from Lafayette 12:55:08 09/14/09 (0)
- It's fashionable to dump on Karajan, but... - M. Lucky 16:16:01 09/10/09 (4)
- The problem with Jochum is in editions... - astralnavigator 13:49:02 09/11/09 (3)
- RE: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - Thornhill 15:51:15 09/10/09 (0)
- RE: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - Brian Cheney 14:47:45 09/10/09 (1)
- RE: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - patrick S 13:08:46 09/11/09 (0)
- RE: Who is the master of Bruckner's symphonies? I like 4 and 7 - astralnavigator 12:21:31 09/10/09 (1)
- Boy, do I ever agree - TGR 14:42:38 09/10/09 (0)
- Wand/BPO - Amphissa 12:20:57 09/10/09 (0)