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RE: I'm a little confused

Posted by Dawnrazor (A) on November 9, 2009 at 22:22:14

In Reply to: I'm a little confused posted by Peter Gunn on November 9, 2009 at 21:28:10:

Hey Pg,

First, it appears by your reaction that you actually doubted what I have been saying for years was correct, and that wood (if it did anything) was marginal, or if it was doing anything my reasoning why was wrong.

That is not true. If I really thought that your reasoning was wrong, I never would have done this. Never like those that do question your reasoning.

So one day on a whim apparently you go to the extreme of gluing something to your drivers to see what happens, and suddenly you have a revelation? For years you've been chiding me how much better "your way" was, and if that's the case why did you even have a desire to glue stuff to your frames? Shouldn't you be listening to music?

This is too funny. Please show me all those posts where I chide you. I really want to see the one where I say my way is better. And before you get your panties in a wad if anyone is guilty of saying they "have a way" and that way is better it is you my friend.

And all I am doing is proving what you say about the vibrations. They do need to be managed.

Trust me I would love to fire up the stereo. I have been dying to since friday, but with my house I can only listen 2 days a week. Maybe a bit in the morning but the first day for that is tuesdays...

Yet even now you're still dismissing wood in a way. The man made goop is so wonderful even wood can benefit from it too you guess?

I cant dismiss wood at all. If it absorbs more than the mdf as you say it does, then it would definitely yield improvements. And if you spend the time searching I had planned to make some wood frames. But here is the thing. By your own theory, more than one material is needed as each absorb different frequencies or ranges of frequencies.

Let Waz or someone with wood frames test this and see.

Well, I'm glad you had your revelation, but it isn't a revelation. I've been saying and defending this for years now. I have no idea why it took so long to sink in for you. You must be one of those kids who refuses to get that the stove is hot until you yourself get round to burning yourself on it.

Yeah I dont know either. Maybe I am just slow...more like lazy. But I for one think you are on to something.

Mass has nothing to do with it, and rigidity has nothing to do with it, and the other poster was wrong because maggies made out of corian would sound like crap. The problem is and has always been vibration and removing it. Period.

Yep I agree. The dynamat doesnt help on rigidity or add much mass, but it does remove vibrations.

I have been telling everyone properly made wooden frames will do this, and they will do so entirely. Nothing else is needed, and adding this isn't going to help them. There is after all a ceiling where no more good can be done, and if anything over dampening will occur.

Perhaps you are right and maybe that is what will be reported if someone tests it. But you are confusing me. If wood does so ENTIRELY, then how could there be any kind of over damping?? Unless the wood ads its own character which you vehemently deny and this is what would be damped?

I doubt very much that this material can do the job as well as wooden frames do. After all you yourself keep reporting improvements every time you glue another scrap on, wooden frames don't improve by adding more wood because the job has been entirely done already. And from the aesthetics point of view... well that's not even comparable.

Yeah it does mess up the view, but that can be fixed pretty easily. Hey, I only said I listened after each strip and never finished because it sounded so good. And remember I have stock frames so there is nothing to stop vibrations from reaching the mdf on the pole piece side....until I put strips there. Anyhow I am sure that you need to have a certain amount of wood to get good results otherwise one little strip should work like a whole frame right???

To be honest I'd rather your revelation had been to go and take a wood shop class and make the damn things the right way, but to each his own, and as you have shown you are not a flower that chooses to run with the herd. :^ )

Well FWIW I got an A in shop class. You know how the jocks pass English when they cant make a sentence, well I was the reverse of that. But I cant help but notice that phrase you use "the right way". Herd??? What is that?

Well I suppose I am crazy for agreeing with you about the vibrations. You were right as far as I am concerned. At least those who disagree will have to explain how the dynamat can cause such a great improvement.

Cut to razor sounding violins

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