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In Reply to: RE: Lazy, lazy, Ghost. There are similarities and differences. If you think posted by pictureguy on December 17, 2021 at 23:33:04:
ah ... there it is! your point = 'all rights and few obligations'
when citizens pay their taxes and participate in democracy they've met their obligations ... not just fed & state taxes, there's hundreds of taxes at point of sale, registrations, tolls, fees for this that and the other thing ... but citizens rights aren't 'pay as you go'
the Constitution states that there's inalienable rights elucidated therein
children are protected under the document despite nothing thrown into the kitty by them as a for instance, even if their guardians can't pony up
and yes it's a thorny issue because of this caveat
however, 'we the people' recognize certain intrinsic rights that are guaranteed by the Constitution and protected by 'the state' as defined from the local level to the federal level ... and only the state can remove those protections, and of equal importance, fine tune them in keeping with the 'spirit' of the Constitution, not just the literal written word ... and so recognizing it as a 'living' document that might need to evolve, amendments are provided for to accomplish this
of course there's a system in place to make those things happen
part of that system is electoral in nature requiring participation to work
which brings us back to my question: what expectations can the voter have by participating in that process and how can those be guaranteed?
without relitigating the particulars of what's in place now, how should it be? reviewing your posts you seem to be arguing that the system really should be 'pay as you go' without accounting for those disenfranchised by that very system ... doesn't this dial things back a few hundred years?
there may be [there are!] interest groups wagging the dog of the system and skewing it towards those special interests, but it's definitely not those with the most need of what it's supposed to be protecting
I did check your links and have seen the concepts committed to writing too
they're points along the circumference of a circular argument as far as answering the very basic question I tabled
in any event this thread is tiptoeing around civics as politics so I'll step off here and leave it be as food for thought, not a call out of anyone's particular viewpoints
best regards,
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- RE: Lazy, lazy, Ghost. There are similarities and differences. If you think - RV817 12/18/2110:41:15 12/18/21 (1)
- RE: Lazy, lazy, Ghost. There are similarities and differences. If you think - pictureguy 23:35:59 12/18/21 (0)
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