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In Reply to: A probably FAR more accurate estimate than 3m posted by Sondek on May 31, 2021 at 07:21:18:
I agree, that seems far more realistic and actually addresses some of the points I, and others, had raised ... it even has some verifiable footnotes to the source studies used as the foundation for the article
it is rather dated material though ... it's almost as if attempts to seriously address the issue went off the rails via identity and 'tribal' politics over the last 15 years or so ... along with other pressing issues
I'll have to ponder this for a while
thanks for the reply and putting some thought into this Sondek
best regards,
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - MSOTD - dark_dave56 04:48:44 05/30/21 (107)
- It's too early to call the MSOTD - Goober58 11:13:45 05/30/21 (0)
- Just further evidence that things are opening up again and that... - musetap 11:11:15 05/30/21 (0)
- This one looks more like revenge or gang violence - Rod M 09:49:06 05/30/21 (12)
- Maybe but I consider domestic terrorism a possibility as well - Goober58 19:07:05 05/30/21 (4)
- RE: Maybe but I consider domestic terrorism a possibility as well - rivervalley817 21:32:19 05/30/21 (1)
- It happens. - Goober58 22:03:10 05/30/21 (0)
- Don't jump to any conclusions.... - Rod M 19:42:53 05/30/21 (1)
- Great Advice Rod! - Goober58 21:52:03 05/30/21 (0)
- Big surprise! - E-Stat 12:44:31 05/30/21 (6)
- Yeah, so it doesn't really count as a mass shooting I suppose... - musetap 17:31:08 05/30/21 (5)
- Don't know about you, but... - E-Stat 18:44:05 05/30/21 (4)
- RE: Don't know about you, but... - musetap 23:23:04 05/30/21 (3)
- Funny - E-Stat 06:06:53 05/31/21 (2)
- Right... - musetap 11:22:21 05/31/21 (1)
- I'll be happy to respond to anything.., - E-Stat 12:11:02 05/31/21 (0)
- Yes, and some just say, "Oh, so sad!," but are content to do nothing--- - tinear 09:34:52 05/30/21 (2)
- Yeah, but aren't there games on today? BBQ's to attend?... - musetap 11:19:45 05/30/21 (1)
- +1. nt - tinear 11:56:41 05/30/21 (0)
- RE: MSOTD - Inmate51 08:13:45 05/30/21 (3)
- More from the blame the pandemic on Dr. Fauci front? - Goober58 11:18:02 05/30/21 (1)
- Well, if there IS a connection, the Chinese are then to blame for recent mass shootings... - musetap 11:22:14 05/30/21 (0)
- Why don't you research that and get back to us with some stats and answers... - musetap 11:12:43 05/30/21 (0)
- Mass psychosis is as real as any pandemic. It transfers quicker than any virus. - free.ranger 07:37:58 05/30/21 (2)
- RE: Mass psychosis is as real as any pandemic. It transfers quicker than any virus. - geoff 09:05:35 05/30/21 (1)
- RE: Mass psychosis is as real as any pandemic. It transfers quicker than any virus. - dark_dave56 09:53:10 05/30/21 (0)
- Just another day in the US of A. - Quadzilla 05:06:44 05/30/21 (72)
- Many people consider the US the most dangerous country - Jay Buridan 15:11:27 05/30/21 (0)
- It's that... - E-Stat 06:52:08 05/30/21 (68)
- RE: It's that... - pictureguy 12:47:32 05/30/21 (1)
- Sounds great - JDK 13:27:02 05/30/21 (0)
- "By very definition, criminals ignore laws"... - dark_dave56 07:02:27 05/30/21 (57)
- RE: "By very definition, criminals ignore laws"... - JDK 15:45:31 05/30/21 (2)
- The problem with that data... - dark_dave56 03:26:56 05/31/21 (1)
- RE: The problem with that data... - JDK 09:48:13 05/31/21 (0)
- "That, however, is not the world we live in." ... No ... - Quadzilla 10:49:02 05/30/21 (2)
- That, sadly, is the true America. Angry, fearful, and hate-filled. Exceptionalism, alright. nt - tinear 11:14:36 05/30/21 (1)
- As demonstrated by - E-Stat 12:39:55 05/30/21 (0)
- And inept *aolutions* don't work -nt - E-Stat 09:57:29 05/30/21 (0)
- Let's not forget though, that ... - Quadzilla 07:28:19 05/30/21 (49)
- According to SCOTUS, there is a right to own a firearm for self-defense. - ghost of olddude55 08:10:24 05/30/21 (48)
- Ruling unnecessary - E-Stat 12:43:21 05/30/21 (30)
- Obviously the ruling was necessary. - ghost of olddude55 15:03:35 05/30/21 (29)
- Agree only because - E-Stat 15:34:26 05/30/21 (28)
- Can't help but believe... - ghost of olddude55 16:15:21 05/30/21 (27)
- What everyone seems to forget... - E-Stat 16:51:14 05/30/21 (26)
- RE: What everyone seems to forget... - rivervalley817 17:12:55 05/30/21 (25)
- Only too happy to answer the question again :) - E-Stat 18:40:48 05/30/21 (24)
- Another funny post using a conservative "think" tank as a source. :-) - Rick W 08:52:12 05/31/21 (20)
- Apparently, I presume too much intelligence :) - E-Stat 12:03:00 05/31/21 (19)
- LOL. You just can't stop being a twit. - Rick W 19:20:50 05/31/21 (18)
- Simply amazing - E-Stat 20:06:24 05/31/21 (17)
- Do some research and you'll find there IS NO DEFINITIVE STUDY. - Rick W 22:16:35 05/31/21 (3)
- Congratulations! - E-Stat 05:02:28 06/1/21 (2)
- Sad, but funny misrepresentation of my post :-) nt - Rick W 09:34:20 06/1/21 (1)
- Suggestion - E-Stat 18:47:34 06/1/21 (0)
- RE: Simply amazing - pictureguy 20:29:12 05/31/21 (12)
- Well stated - E-Stat 04:38:18 06/1/21 (0)
- That pesky constitution has been amended 27 times. God didn't write it. nt - Rick W 21:43:48 05/31/21 (10)
- RE: That pesky constitution has been amended 27 times. God didn't write it. nt - pictureguy 10:43:20 06/1/21 (0)
- RE: That pesky constitution has been amended 27 times. God didn't write it. nt - rivervalley817 22:01:44 05/31/21 (8)
- I find when there is a wide variance - E-Stat 05:28:32 06/1/21 (5)
- You can't possibly prove your assertion... - MWE 06:35:07 06/1/21 (4)
- RE: You can't possibly prove your assertion... - pictureguy 10:44:35 06/1/21 (3)
- You still trust police reports? nt - Rick W 11:05:22 06/1/21 (2)
- RE: You still trust police reports? nt - pictureguy 12:16:04 06/1/21 (1)
- Because... - E-Stat 16:32:47 06/1/21 (0)
- I find when there is a wide variance - E-Stat 05:09:21 06/1/21 (1)
- RE: I find when there is a wide variance - rivervalley817 10:00:03 06/1/21 (0)
- RE: Only too happy to answer the question again :) - rivervalley817 19:55:27 05/30/21 (2)
- A probably FAR more accurate estimate than 3m - Sondek 07:21:18 05/31/21 (1)
- RE: A probably FAR more accurate estimate than 3m - rivervalley817 05/31/2109:31:08 05/31/21 (0)
- Amazing how the NRA has brainwashed an entire generation. Is there a more - tinear 11:15:50 05/30/21 (5)
- "Is there a more corrupt organization?"... - dark_dave56 12:37:06 05/30/21 (3)
- Rather mild in comparison - JDK 16:04:31 05/30/21 (0)
- RE: "Is there a more corrupt organization?"... - Inmate51 14:25:21 05/30/21 (1)
- Whic unions have you "Seen the workings" of? nt - Rick W 10:36:59 05/31/21 (0)
- It is easy to brainwash mediocre minds. - Quadzilla 11:36:36 05/30/21 (0)
- RE: According to SCOTUS, there is a right to own a firearm for self-defense. - Quadzilla 08:22:10 05/30/21 (10)
- I'm with you there. - ghost of olddude55 08:42:00 05/30/21 (9)
- The real irony is that ... - Quadzilla 09:11:30 05/30/21 (5)
- The Whiskey Rebellion. - ghost of olddude55 09:19:42 05/30/21 (4)
- I don't know that much about American history, but that is very interesting. - Quadzilla 09:25:09 05/30/21 (3)
- The difference between the two? Jackson wasn't ignorant or lazy. - ghost of olddude55 09:53:59 05/30/21 (2)
- RE: The difference between the two? Jackson wasn't ignorant or lazy. - Quadzilla 09:59:15 05/30/21 (1)
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- I don't know if Americans feel this way, but ... - Quadzilla 08:49:22 05/30/21 (2)
- Too many Americans confuse rights with license. - ghost of olddude55 09:00:51 05/30/21 (1)
- ... and it is that 'looking out for Number One' attitude that is at the heart of the problem. nt - Quadzilla 09:08:45 05/30/21 (0)
- Self-defense? - Quadzilla 06:54:25 05/30/21 (7)
- RE: Self-defense? - RGA 22:49:05 05/30/21 (0)
- It is a joy! - E-Stat 09:56:07 05/30/21 (3)
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- Fear? - E-Stat 10:41:38 05/30/21 (1)
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- You should stay where you are. - srdavis2000 07:09:30 05/30/21 (1)
- No fear of that. We haven't been welcome since ... - Quadzilla 07:18:29 05/30/21 (0)
- "then what is the point of reporting it?"... - dark_dave56 05:15:15 05/30/21 (1)
- RE: "then what is the point of reporting it?"... - Quadzilla 05:18:34 05/30/21 (0)
- That makes 62 this month with today and tomorrow still left to go. - ghost of olddude55 05:02:48 05/30/21 (8)
- RE: That makes 62 this month with today and tomorrow still left to go. - dark_dave56 05:08:37 05/30/21 (7)
- Hey, this is parochial Pittsburgh. - ghost of olddude55 05:23:30 05/30/21 (6)
- I need to get back to Pittsburgh sometime this summer... - dark_dave56 05:49:37 05/30/21 (5)
- Spent lots of time in Oakland as a kid. - ghost of olddude55 06:05:34 05/30/21 (4)
- RE: Spent lots of time in Oakland as a kid. - dark_dave56 06:32:44 05/30/21 (3)
- The tunnel comes out on Carson Street at the Smithfield bridge. - ghost of olddude55 07:28:48 05/30/21 (2)
- RE: The tunnel comes out on Carson Street at the Smithfield bridge. - dark_dave56 07:41:06 05/30/21 (1)
- North Hills, on Babcock Blvd, near the interchange with McKnight(mare). - ghost of olddude55 08:01:22 05/30/21 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: A probably FAR more accurate estimate than 3m - rivervalley817 05/31/2109:31:08 05/31/21 (0)