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In Reply to: "That's the new thing, not being comfortable with something." posted by Krav Maga on June 11, 2020 at 16:58:51:
Here is John Cleese on political correctness and Bill Maher. Link Below
The issue as John Cleese notes is that Political correctness starts out as a decent idea and goes off the rails.
As they say you can do something that borders on satire - like the recent film JoJo Rabbit which takes the Nazi to an end game joke - but Satire is a high wire act. Similar to The Producers - the if you the viewer views the film successfully walking the tightrope - you will probably love it - but if you view it as going over the edge of good taste there is a chance you will loathe it.
And where do you draw lines. I have friends of all walks of life from Christian pastors (plural) to numerous members of the LGBTQ who take issue with things that I am not aware of existing.
Generally I try to put myself in people's shoes and listen to where they're coming from - so when a group of women were angry at me for saying "hey girls how's it going?" Something I have said my whole life with zero issues - I was taken aback by late 20 early 30 somethings who were clearly displeased with me."
I then engaged in a 45 minute or so discussion.
And what it comes down to in the end is whether we just say things like "everyone should be treated as equals" or whether we actually mean it. So do people feel that American Muslims, Atheists, Democrats are equals or do they just say it so they don't take flack?
From the perspective of these women (three of them Lesbian) they have a different world view than a 45 year old white straight male like me. As empathic as one may attempt to be it is difficult to put myself in the shows of a late 20s Lesbian transgendered person.
So these women grow up in a circle of friends who largely all believe in the same world view. I am a fairly liberal guy - the fact that I basically could care less what people do in the privacy of their own home, I am NOT tied to religious dogma, and frankly if you want 3 wives or live in a polygamous relationship or are in swingers clubs and everyone is on board - more power to you - doesn't bother or affect me.
My main point to the ladies here was that I am generally on their side. If you want me to call you They or Them or Ze or Zer or one of the other 70+ personal pronouns used by many in the LBGTQ community - it doesn't matter to me. A name is just a name.
The mistake these women are making though is that these are all just words and they are allowing these words to have real power of them. They get OFFENDED whenever they think someone else is not saying the right thing.
What their goal should be is about changing hearts and minds. You may get a law that forces people to use these pronouns and face a fine if they do not - but that will only entrench them to feel anger forever. Language changes and vocabulary is added or subtracted over time naturally.
When you look back to Gone with the Wind and you do not view it from a 65 year old white male eye, but view it from an 18 year old black female eye - you have to have enough empathy to realize that GWTW will be vomit inducing to that woman. The 65 year old white male may sit there and scream "why are these people angry and needing safe spaces?" Probably because for many black people they kind of grow up in a state of PTSD. Gowing up with regular bullying is bad enough but if you are transgender or gay and in a social network world everything is hyper amplified.
Television shows that I liked as a kid - that were considered "liberal" and "progressive" at the time "Family Ties" have a number of episodes with words that largely should not be said today - indeed, I used one "I got gypped" at university and man did I take heat for that. Alex P Keaton said that in a number of episodes in that 80/90s TV show. I had no idea it was a derogatory term used against Gypsies. And I am fairly sure the writers of that show were not putting the two together either.
Just as the N word is no longer viewed acceptable in modern lexicon.
In the end - we have seen this inclusion for forever. When Star Trek TNG came on the air the opening was changed from "To boldly go where no man has gone before to .. where no ONE has gone before"
In essays the word humankind has replaced mankind.
Having GWTW taken down to add a prologue (which also exists in books) or having an R-Rating gives the audience a warning as to what they are about to see. That is hardly censorship or burning books and what is interesting is that people always get on the lefties for needing a safe space and yet here they all are getting outrage and needing a safe space because someone is taking down a movie for a short time to add a prologue - I mean choose your safe space lol.
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- RE: "That's the new thing, not being comfortable with something." - RGA 06/12/2005:17:25 06/12/20 (0)
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