RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good?

Posted by Krav Maga (A) on April 8, 2020 at 16:21:41

In Reply to: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? posted by Mr. Dick Hertz on April 8, 2020 at 08:07:58:

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From the STAT (About STAT [from theie website]: STAT delivers fast, deep, and tough-minded journalism about health, medicine, life sciences and the fast-moving business of making medicines...) article
"With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19" (link below):

"The question is whether ICU physicians are moving patients to mechanical ventilators too quickly. "Almost the entire decision tree is driven by oxygen saturation levels," said the emergency medicine physician, who asked not to be named so as not to appear to be criticizing colleagues.

That's not unreasonable. In patients who are on ventilators due to non-Covid-19 pneumonia or acute respiratory distress, a blood oxygen level in the 80s can mean impending death, with no room to give noninvasive breathing support more time to work. Physicians are using their experience with ventilators in those situations to guide their care for Covid-19 patients. The problem, critical care physician Cameron Kyle-Sidell told Medscape this week, is that because U.S. physicians had never seen Covid-19 before February, they are basing clinical decisions on conditions that may not be good guides.

"It's hard to switch tracks when the train is going a million miles an hour," said Kyle-Sidell, who works at a New York City hospital. "This may be an entirely new disease," making ventilator protocols developed for other conditions less than ideal."
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Topic - Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Mr. Dick Hertz 08:07:58 04/8/20 (25)

RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Krav Maga 04/8/2016:21:41 04/8/20 (2)

RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Inmate51 16:35:42 04/8/20 (1)

Anonymous doctors remind me of ... - emailtim 20:12:24 04/8/20 (0)

RE: They tell me the folks at Penn Medicine are poring over your research. - B. Scarpia 12:47:21 04/8/20 (1)

I'm expecting a quote from the Capital supporting the war on people who wear glasses. nt - Goober58 13:23:54 04/8/20 (0)

I think you're mischaracterizing the article a little bit - Dave_K 11:36:54 04/8/20 (5)

This is directly from the article: - Mr. Dick Hertz 11:56:32 04/8/20 (4)

OK, how did I mischaracterize it? - Dave_K 14:25:37 04/8/20 (0)

RE: This is directly from the article: - Inmate51 12:39:25 04/8/20 (0)

Ok - Goober58 12:07:02 04/8/20 (1)

picky, picky, picky. nt - Mr. Dick Hertz 12:11:47 04/8/20 (0)

I agree but if it's the only alternative for preserving life it's what they should use. - Goober58 10:38:34 04/8/20 (1)

Thanks for the topic BTW! - Goober58 12:21:09 04/8/20 (0)

RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Inmate51 09:38:48 04/8/20 (2)

RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Mr. Dick Hertz 09:53:46 04/8/20 (1)

RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Inmate51 10:52:30 04/8/20 (0)

RE: I have always been told by doctors - bean 08:55:36 04/8/20 (2)

RE: I have always been told by doctors - double28 09:46:54 04/8/20 (0)

Belated condolences to you and your family. nt - dean_martin 09:14:18 04/8/20 (0)

Guessing by the time one gets on a ventilator it might be too late... - Ivan303 08:27:51 04/8/20 (0)

RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - -æ- 08:23:25 04/8/20 (0)

I saw that too... - dark_dave56 08:21:52 04/8/20 (3)

The idea of dealing with the "cytokine storm"... - Mr. Dick Hertz 08:50:19 04/8/20 (2)

We don't know the exact cause, but... - dark_dave56 09:04:36 04/8/20 (1)

RE: an elderly neighbor has Lupus - bean 09:07:09 04/8/20 (0)

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RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Krav Maga 04/8/2016:21:41 04/8/20 (2)

RE: Are the ventilators doing more harm than good? - Inmate51 16:35:42 04/8/20 (1)

Anonymous doctors remind me of ... - emailtim 20:12:24 04/8/20 (0)

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